just disrespect but heartless, cynical treatment of whether they be poor, middle class, the elderly, is just reprehensible. and to me, the most powerful emotion is fear, an i think elise has touched on that. i think ultimately people are growing more an more afraid they re going to lose something either they have or they re not going to get something they wanted, which donald trump promised to give them and he s not going to. all right, elise jordan and peter emerson, guys, thank you so much. thank you. the new time magazine cover story on donald trump jr. explores the potential fallout from ms. now infamous meeting and asked one simple crucial question. how bad will the firestorm get? we can t stay here!
setup. okay. eli elise, what about you, what do you think? i think that they are really grasping for straws in how to defend this. you look at how their story has shifted. on so many different occasions. every trump advisor had been saying publicly absolutely there was no collusion. and now suddenly collusion isn t illegal, so, eh, who cares. they are shifting the boundaries just because they are desperate. and as this drip, drip, drip continues, it s not going to look any prettier for this administration when it comes to what they have done with russia. okay. we should say, though, the administration is saying there s still no collusion. that s their backdrop point for sure. but, peter, what do you think is worse, if trump junior and jared kushner took this meeting because they really didn t understand its ramifications, so there s a naivete there, or if they took it with the intent of colluding with russia? you know, not too many years ago we wouldn t be using such a sanitize
why would he? nothing transpired at that meeting so there was nothing to discuss. this was a setup to do what? to really get in on the mag n magnitsky act. she went down to washington, d.c. and did the same thing in washington and the end result of that was nothing so the whole thing was a put-up to begin with. the president s attorney, jay sekulow, downplaying the controversy around don jr. s 2016 meeting with a russian lawyer who promised damaging intel on hillary clinton. let s bring in elise jordan and peter emerson. with a welcome to you both, peter, is it plausible that it was a setup, as jay sekulow claims? no. i have this visual image that we see on csi and law & order all the time, the big bulletin board with pictures of suspects, pictures of people of interest. there are too many connected points here for this to be a
well, he might not have technically broken any laws, but it certainly shows how they were playing fast and loose with the laws of propriety and cooperation when it comes to campaigns cooperating with a hostile foreign power. so i think that if nothing else, the appearance is absolutely terrible and people should be shocked. people should be outraged, people should expect for a presidential campaign to have more to america than to subvert their authority to the russian government. peter, i m curious, if you re a democrat right now, how do you handle all of this? does it benefit you to come out strong against the trump camp or then do you risk looking like you re just piling on and does that work to your detriment? two things. one, i agree with governor hickenlooper of colorado that democrats need to get away from the day-to-day of this. next week there s two closed hearings and one closed briefing
has unfolded and, you know, the criticism that republicans heaped on the obama administration for trying to keep it behind closed doors when really actually they didn t. they had a ton of hearings, it happened over, i think, a year-long process. and then you look at how originally this process in the senate, they were going to throw out this bill without giving any of the senators time to read it. it s absolutely ridiculous. when you re fundamentally reordering one-sixth of the country s economy, let s have a sound policy debate. peter, i ll give you the last word here. i think very strongly that democrats need to focus on health care. i worked for mr. health care, ted kennedy, for many years. this was the most important issue in his entire legislation career. and when i hear people like secretary of health and human services tom price say that women any woman in america can afford birth control or when i hear kellyanne conway say, well, if you lose medicaid, you just get a job,