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Transcripts for MSNBC Alex Wagner Tonight 20240604 01:16:00

i don t know they re going to be able to work around that. with the obstruction of an official proceeding i don t think you have to know that you actually lost the election there, it s just everything you do with the proceeding. and maybe in the civil rights claim, the deprivation of rights, it s enough that you try to subvert the process. maybe that is the work around if they failed to prove the donald trump actually knew that he had lost the election. there might have been a way to have a jury reach a verdict of guilty on those other two counts without even finding that that is the case. it happens all the time in obstruction of justice charges. a person might say that i am innocent, so i told the person the life for me. the fact that you re innocent is great but the part where you told them to live for you is still a crime. it might be this is a strategic call by jack smith to avoid having to prove the trump. actually knew that he had lost the election. lisa, i know that i m going

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Transcripts for MSNBC Alex Wagner Tonight 20240604 04:06:00

again, so far. other individuals like jeffrey clark, who trump tried to appoint as the acting attorney general and the january of 2021, helping trump to overturn the results of the election. mr. clark s spokesman declined to comment. tonight, there s a particular focus on people like jeffrey clark and john eastman, and rudy giuliani. the lawyers in the trump bunch. part of a rant on his social media platform, truth social, he claimed tonight that lawyers and the legal system itself are under siege. he called that siege a gift from crooked joe biden, merrick garland, and deranged prosecutor jack smith. who knows what trump meant by that. if i were a lawyer, if i were a lawyer that would help trump to try and overturn the 2020 election, i might be keeping an eye on my mailbox. joining us now is barbara mcquade, the former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan. barb, we are waiting for your shot also with us is the great lisa rubin. hi, lisa for thanks for saving my height.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Alex Wagner Tonight 20240604 01:07:00

lisa rubin. hi, lisa for thanks for saving my height. lisa, let me start with the notion that jack smith, his very busy and can apparently juggle a lot, was at the courthouse today on a wednesday, which is not traditionally when his grand jury s, meet. what s the signal to you? are you making a mole do you think there s something significant be inferred here? alex, it s hard to say, and i know that s an answer is deeply unsatisfying, both to you and our viewers. . it s one of two things. number one, jack smith went to hear from a witness in a grand jury that we did not understand to be meeting today it s unclear whether that ranged jury would have been for the election interference side of the investigation or the records investigation. the other possibility is the jack smith could ve attended a sealed hearing having to do with some issues in one of those two investigations. he felt it was important to be

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Transcripts for MSNBC Alex Wagner Tonight 20240604 04:18:00

actually knew that he had lost the election. lisa, i know that i m going to ask you the impossible. i m going to do it anyway. we know there were three weeks between when trump received his target letter for the mar-a-lago documents case, and when the doj actually charged him and indicted him, one wonders whether you think recent looking at a similar timeframe here, given the fact that fani willis seems to be waiting in the wings, and fewer than three weeks to announce her own potential indictments of the former president. alex, it s impossible to say as you acknowledge. we re probably working on a little bit shorter of a timeframe here. ironically, the person that brought in the wrap up witness last time, lawyer stanley woodward who was in miami, is also the lawyer for the person we understand to be testifying tomorrow to the grandeur, a former white house aide will russell. does that suggest that we are at the end? not necessarily. we are certainly getting close to it,. i ll be l

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