president biden, does have this history of being a pro-union guy and a trains guy. the trains guy thing seems like it s important too. that s right. you have a president who is passionate about making sure we have excellent rail in america, and a president who is proud to be the most pro-labor, pro-union president that we have had in modern times, perhaps ever. i think that led to a lot of credibility. especially when he was making these calls like last night around 9:00 in the evening. as the talks were already going into probably their 12th hour or so, calling on the parties to get to that solution and find that deal space. i think he s earned a lot of trust and a lot of credibility, and it comes from the heart. we saw it also yesterday when we were with united autoworkers at the detroit auto show. for him, the technology that s happening, the electric vehicle revolution, this is all about doing it in a way that makes sure workers can win. today, we were celebrating the administrat
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however, the present chemistry and configuration of lithium ion batteries that are driving the electric vehicle revolution will persist for at least the next ten to 15 years, and therefore we need many multiples of the present global supply. on that note, brian, i really appreciate your time. good luck with everything and i d love to talk to you again soon. great. thanks very much. now, in the first half of the programme, we looked at how the cost of precious metals is rocketing because of a supply crisis due to the war in ukraine. and yet each year, we throw away electronics with tens of billions of dollars worth of these metals inside them. among the companies tackling this is closing the loop. it s a dutch company who works with telecom makers and networks to pay for old mobile phones to be collected in africa and then brought to europe for recycling. the dutch government are a customer, as is the global consultancy kpmg.