also greater penalties for those who would threaten election officials or poll workers or voters or anyone who s trying to count votes. if there are no reforms that are passed in trying to ensure a fair and secure election and instead what you have is these laws in states led by republicans where they re trying to fix a voter fraud problem that doesn t exist, where does that leave us? i think it leaves us in a place where first of all it s a state by state battle. and in every state it s important to marshal the forces of businesses, unions, church groups, civic organizations to stand together for the rule of law and for fair elections and to for example, when texas tried to pass as part of its election law a provision that would have made it easier for a state judge to throw out the results of an election, there was pressure and that provision was removed. so i do think that even on the state by state level there s the ability to do that. and we have to agitate for
of businesses, unions, church groups, civic organizations to stand together for the rule of law and for fair elections and to for example, when texas tried to pass as part of its election law a provision that would have made it easier for a state judge to throw out the results of an election, there was pressure and that provision was removed. so i do think that even on the state by state level there s the ability to do that. and we have to agitate for transparency so that we can assure that votes are counted fairly, that we have real audits to make sure that the machines are counting the votes properly, and that there is a bipartisan opportunity to observe the whole process and make sure that our votes are being counted fairly. rick, thank you for being with us tonight. i have thoroughly appreciated this conversation with you, and i hope that our viewers learned a whole lot about it. thank you. thank you. so it shouldn t be dangerous. we were just talking about this. to help ru