order to send a message to congress that they would have to delay certifying the election so that he could hold power. the fact that mike pence is so morally vacant that he couldn t say to tucker, tucker, i hear what you are trying to do here, but he tried to kill me and my family on capitol hill that day and he can go and blank off. but mike pence has no spine. he s a bold tapioca pudding. we had this conversation, a couple of people in the race, two or three people in the republican race who do seem to have a spine. may not have many chances to do anything, does that help? when i ask you this, you and i have talked about it last week, what is the best hope for america and democracy right now? republicans from inside trying to take donald trump out, or at least create an alternative, or everybody just abandoning that ship and if you have to hold your nose if you don t like joe biden and democrats hold your nose just to preserve democracy. what is the best chance for democracy prevai
philosophy. and that is why they are not governing. having these ridiculous hearings, woke this, and attacking the company with ron desantis, it is an angry movement that makes you feel that as an american, you are disadvantaged. i mean, to be born in america when ronald reagan was president, in donald trump s america, you are a trump, you are a sucker. he will make that up. that terrible disadvantage you have as an american, he will settle the score. it is a dark vision, it lacks any optimism, and it is really an attack on democracy. that is what this is about. democracy is on the ballot. and nothing else matters. and you are going to have to see it that way and do what it takes to support democracy, or you are doing a great disservice to the incredible legacy that we have been handed. i think both of your points is that you have to be active about, it you can t sit back and wait for this to unfold and then the three of us are going to be talking about this in 2025 when donald trump
lincoln project and a former republican strategist. if you ever go at me like donald trump went at mike pence, and build a gallows, and encourage people to kill me, i will not be nice to you after that. mike pence is running out about 6% right now, probably his best hope is that donald trump and ron desantis implode. but whatever you think january 6th was, whatever word you want to use, it was about antidemocratic violent, illegal thing. and we are still stuck on semantics. tucker carlson asking mike pence, what it was, shows that people cannot draw away from donald trump. they can say all the bad things. if there is anyone in this country who is entitled to say about things about donald trump i think mike pence would be that guy. either one of you take that. well, i mean, he tried to murder mike pence. let s be real about this. he tried to murder mike pence. he wanted his minions on his thugs and his shock troops to murder mike pence in order, in
soft republicans who are addressable. who joe biden could persuade. that number has gotten larger while the core of the republican party has gotten much crazier and much more intense. so he could still win with that crazy core. but there are more republicans and conservative independents who could be moved away from trump now than there were in 2020. that is the good news. the bad news is that democrats need to rally around joe biden right now, you need to have zero daylight between any democratic official, elected person, donor, they need to be 100% behind joe biden and stop complaining. stop pretending you will get somebody different or better or more fun or younger. joe biden is going to be your nominee. get behind him now because the bottle is already on. donald trump is going to win this nomination and we need to be ready for that. it will get us a long fight ahead. people who don t think this election is going to be a bloodbath are mistaken.
parsing it, and making people hear it. i m also surprised you would be shaking your head because this got really dark. i didn t think trump could get darker and could start talking more like an autocrat, or a dictator. but he seems to study the criticism of him and then doubled down. now, this is a classic piece of chasing authoritarian dragon. he knows the audience wants more, and more, and more. he understands the republican party as it exists today has increasingly, not only become tolerant of authoritarianism, but they desire. there is a reason why donald trump and ron desantis are the two most popular republican candidates by the order of magnitude practically at this point it is because both of them are telling the audience i will be the strongman, i will be the dictator, i will be the one who punishes your enemies, i am here to bring you through the apocalyptic battle so that we can crush our opponents before us, and eliminate their ability to put a contest, or