like, he was like the biggest proponent. he called it obamacare. that would be like fdr calling social security fdr security, so for the rest of time, i mean, they called it obamacare, that was even a huge mistake. people want their obamacare. keep your government hands off my obamacare. even in texas, in these three races where people were so upset, on the strength of the excitement around stacey abrams, andrew gillum and bet to o rour, they were able to help democrats flip congressional seats. in texas, you have 19 black women who got elected to judgeships in the midterm elections. 19. the fact is, look, the divide in america, and ej writes about this as well, it is very much urban suburban, who are democrats, and ex-urban rural who are republicans. there are more people on the urban suburban side. in a state like utah, if you re a suburban republican, you re
point. trump in the campaign saying, hey, russia, if you re listening, how about you get me those e-mails? caught in memo or another private communication saying that, it s a scandal. with glee for everyone to see, i think people see it and say, well, it can t be that bad if he s doing it before my eyes but in fact a lot of these things, nlg, according to, you know, experts are bad. you know, he is damaging the rule of law. he is undermining faith in democratic institutions. so i think we need to do a better job separating trump s manner and the ease with which he does these things from the seriousness of what he s actually doing. and, ej, what about this that jeff sessions now is back on the i don t know list on the question of is donald trump going to fire him? well, i wonder, by the way, i want to correct the record. nixon, the articles of impeachment were voted by the judiciary committee. but i think that donald trump it
that is what one unnamed source who s under investigation by the special prosecutor told cbs news today. it s every man for himself, the source also added i do believe the russians interfered or tried to interfere. he said. but he pointed to others associated with the campaign. i don t know what they were doing and whatever those people did that s on them. joining us now, ej dion for the washington post and political analyst, co-author of one nation after trump. also with us, daniel dale, washington correspondent for toronto star an here in new york, nick ackerman, former federal prosecutor and assistant special watergate prosecutor, a msnbc contributor. nick, there s the president saying, i m not under investigation. and, of course, believe me. but, i see his campaign chairman indicted. i see a mid level staffer who s there in pictures with donald trump indicted. and self convicted with a guilty plea. is it conceivable look, the
he does. or he wants to make noise about doing that to muddy the waters for the inevitable trouble that he is going to face. we have seen him make this long-running effort to redefine words by simply using them to attack his opponents even when they don t apply so, for example, in responding to the dnc controversy the other day trump said that s money laundering. why isn t the justice department and the fbi investigating money laundering? whatever that was or think of that controversy, it was not money laundering. that, of course srks what his campaign chairman paul manafort is charged with. so i think trump is very good with the certain segment of the population and inclined to believe him of muddying the waters by accusing democrats of the things that he is more seriously accused of. he is very good at getting a minority of people who are devoted to him to continue to be devoted to him. he hasn t changed a single mind in his favor since election night. ej and daniel, thank you ve
and with her the dossier and the kind of money? back with us, ej dionne and daniel dale. so there s the president saying will you fire question, will you fire jeff sessions if the justice department doesn t take action against hillary clinton and the president s answer is, i don t know. and then he goes on to throw some words at it after that. ej, when you just heard the president talking about how he really wishes he could direct prosecutions and the justice department, no doubt direct tax audits in the irs, can you explain to him and perhaps some of the younger viewers, what happens to presidents, the last one we know tried to do things like that? he resigned in disgrace after being impeached. you know what? donald trump is frustrated by he s the leader of a free country with judicial independence. and our country has spent years