Brian amity shlaes, why do we spend so much time in this country, and on our network, and in your life, talking about president s . Ms. Shlaes thank you, brian. Im glad to be with you and with harold. We talk about president s because people understand People Better than ideas. And we eventually want to get to ideas, but we get at those ideas through people, our president s. Brian dr. Holzer, im often i often want to call you even though youre not a doctor. Mr. Holzer thank you for that mixed introduction. Thank you for having me on the show, and welcome to Franklin Roosevelts home, from which we are broadcasting tonight. Why . I think amity has it right. I also think that we were blessed to have a first president who was a National Hero before he became president , and was a touchstone and an icon and created a presidency that was centered on both personality and ideas, but in large measure, personality. Everyone since has been measured against George Washington. And we look for extra