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Sweden and finland in nato, a strategic defeats for russia, the hello and welcome to the port. Its great to have you with us, our guests this week, alexandra fund, them and heads dw as Brussels Bureau covers, nato and security policy, and has also reported from russia. And its a pleasure to welcome daniel who can do it. She is a senior fellow at the German Marshall Fund with a focus on Central Europe and colonel. Both congress wished or joins us from virtually, from vienna. Shes a Senior Advisor at the Austrian Institute for europe and security policy. So let me begin. If i may, uh, with you, alexandra to formerly neutral nations, join the western alliance. How momentous is the shift . Does it significantly strengthen data . The answer is yes, definitely having finland and so sweet, enjoying nature as a big win for the alliance. When we talk about a sweden, they have a very highly capable armed forces and a geographic situation in proof of natos a push it and the voltage see. And of co

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