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Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20220203 11:22:00

corner so we don t have a european war what s the we need to ask ourselves what are they thinking, how can we help them out of the corner. putin laid this out. he wrote it clearly in a speech he wrote last year where he talked about ukraine is part of russia and i feel, you know, i feel he clearly felt the russian-ification of that part of the world. any thoughts? i think the proposals revealed from spain to russia speak to the russian anxiety about security. they say, we will never station u.s. troops permanently in ukraine. it is not promising ukraine will never be a nato member, you can t promise that. it is speaking to the concern. one thing, there are polls in russia that are pretty reliable show that the younger you are,

Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20220203 11:17:00

3,000 troops to europe. this is not something that vladimir putin or any of the military want to see. they don t want to see f-35s on their borders. this has really turned out to be the opposite of what vladimir putin was hoping for. my god, you look at all of the troops that are now moving to eastern europe. they have to know if they go in they re going to see even more. you know, joe, i think putin must have calculated that biden was the person in some ways that his biography suggests. he is a career politician, he s careless, he talks too much, he s good old joe biden and putin thought he could roll him. biden has been resolute in the last weeks. he started by saying the right thing, we need to do this together with nato allies.

Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20220203 11:25:00

respect than be going through this. i know, but if you say, he lost his little empire, that s not helpful. if you read him back in the summer, putin says there s an anti-russian project and we are every day more threatened and he believes that. we say it is nuts but he believes that. he now has the world s attention. it may if this is played right and played to his self-respect, that there is a pathway out. a week ago it didn t look like there was, but as he plays the victim more you begin to see how it might work. it wouldn t cost us anymore. it was said they re a gas station masquerading with a country. it wouldn t hurt us to say they re a great country with a history, they helped us with world war ii. we couldn t have gotten to june

Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20220203 11:24:00

some degree what is going on in putin s head. i think we were talking about with the escalation, it seems to be working, but there is a fear that what the u.s. is doing is actually, you know, egging on putin in a way. it is a debate. are we deterring him or are we spurring him on because he feels he has to stand up to the united states? i mean the united states has never done this kind of released this kind of intelligence publicly. right. and worked with the british on releasing intelligence indicating to the public what putin s next move is going to be but it certainly has, i think, confused the russians. one things our leaders need to stop doing rhetorically is stop putting russia down, saying that he lost his empire and barack obama saying, what, that they re a regional power. regional power. you know what? that doesn t help things. it really doesn t. if they want respect, i would much rather show got the world s attention. i would much rather show

Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20220203 11:20:00

lecturing israel to do things that will hurt their security because they want nobel peace prizes, i wonder if we would do that if people lined up along the mexico or canadian border. i asked the question i think putin has asked and ots have asked, what if russia signed a security alliance with mexico, how many days do you think we would put up with that. well, they have a security alliance with cuba, which is on our doorstep. how did that turn out for everybody? it didn t turn out well at all. but i think your basic point that we need in this crisis we just need to see what they re looking at. we need to understand how our adversary looks at the world and see through their eyes to the extent we can. every country deserves to have secure borders. right. but that s just russia has secure borders. nobody has invaded russia. nobody has invaded russian. russia s making grabs from

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