yes. nbc news exclusive. might we see a subpoena of the former president himself? anything is possible. the exclusive interview with fulton county s da on her investigation, and her response to senator lindsey graham. and how fox and friends are exploring new gaps to excuse gun violence in america. what can regular pot use triggered women never stop lecturing them that would see like a conspiracy theory, right? all in, starts right now. good evening from new york, i am chris hayes. a huge breakthrough for the january 6th committee. they have secured an interview with their biggest and most important witness yet. donald trump s white house counsel, pat cipollone. this comes after the committee spent weeks pressing cipollone to testify, in fact yesterday, they issued him a subpoena and vice chair liz cheney made this direct appeal during a hearing last month. our committee is certain that donald trump does not want mr. cipollone to testify here. indeed, ou
is the witness who vice chair liz cheney name checked at the end of one of those recent investigative hearings, which was itself a powerful move because there s rangling that goes on over time, so tub lick publicly calling out a witness is a last resort, but that s what congresswoman liz cheney did to name and shame a trump white house lawyer who she said was not fully cooperating at the time. you probably heard his name, pat cipollone. he had talked to the committee once, so he was not total by defying them like steve bannon or peter navarro. he didn t get to the point of recommending a contempt citation but at the same time he had not agreed to testify under oath. so cheney led that public charge, which we then learned was the prelude to a subpoena, and this all worked, and fast. now cipollone will be testifying tomorrow under oath on camera in the main format the committees use because you ve probably seen clips of the video depositions as they explore issues and build u
everywhere. and, alexander butterfield we, 49 years later, is going to join us here tonight. no way, really? to talk about what it is really like to be that star witness in that kind of presidential investigative hearing, in what is now the cassidy hutchinson role, and what we ve seen. he was subpoenaed, just like she was subpoenaed, and it was obviously, it s a unique experience, and a unique perspective to get on what we are watching, and what we will be watching tomorrow. i can t believe i went all day-to-day without knowing the butterfield will be on the show tonight. how come nobody came in and rang my bell about this. you are supposed to know immediately about this, these are not supposed to take you by surprise, i don t know what happened at the system. but it s really exciting, and we do have to reach back that 50 years, for people who actually have lived through things like this. yes, exactly right. and, arguably, what we ve learned from the january 6th com
49 years later, is going to join us here tonight. no way, really? to talk about what it is really like to be that star witness in that kind of presidential investigative hearing, in what is now the cassidy hutchinson role, and what we ve seen. he was subpoenaed, just like she was subpoenaed, and it was obviously, it s a unique experience, and a unique perspective to get on what we are watching, and what we will be watching tomorrow. i can t believe i went all day-to-day without knowing the butterfield will be on the show tonight. how come nobody came in and rang my bell about this. you are supposed to know immediately about this, these are not supposed to take you by surprise, i don t know what happened at the system. but it s really exciting, and we do have to reach back that 50 years, for people who actually have lived through things like this. yes, exactly right. and, arguably, what we ve learned from the january 6th committee, is already describing a scope of cr
we look at the allies of former president trump. in the next hour, president biden meets with new mexico s president where immigration will be among the topics discussed. right now addressing the rising covid cases and with the highly transmissible new variant. we will speak with the coordinator. new and stunning images from a space telescope and what they could mean for the universe ahead. universe ahead. we begin this hour with what is expected to be another hour of explosive testimony from the january 6th committee. they will kick off the seventh public hearing focused on the extremist groups that stormed to the capitals at stake and their ties to donald trump allies. it will be led by jamie raskin florida congresswoman stephanie murphy. there will be a spokesperson from the extremist group, the oath keepers. and stephen ayres who admitted storming the capital. he admitted saying it will be wild. another major focus will be taped testimony from pat cipollone who testif