and i knew i would hit you and it would hurt you, but really that wasn t my purpose. i was just trying to get to the store. that s no defense. so i think on the law, her decision was right. rick: but that s basically the sort the naive defense, is what his team is arguing here, that he was a naive whistle blower. now we re seeing this, of course, against the backdrop of the ed snowden saga that continues to play out. one person s heroic whistle blowerrer is another person s spy or someone who has been aiding the enemy. it s sort of in the eyes of the beholder. is that the way it works with the law, too, or is it more clear cut? well, i think whatever his subjective desires, okay, whatever his subjective purpose, what the law asks and what you got to ask cause we can t have a different standard and say, oh, you re naive, so you can do whatever you want. the law asks is, did you know