knowing you, chris, a lot of stupid things at that age. they get radicalized quickly. we tend to think they are different. they are not different. they are stupid kids and get radicalized quickly. something you made a point of in the past this surveillance and what we do and don t do is a peng lum. you saw it swing the other day. now the director is giving fuel. he says going dark is real. encrypted communications the lack of private companies wants to give us information is hurting us. what is the next stage in this debate? what is going to be the hard question to face? boy, this is a simple story. i fear it is going to end up in tragedy. if you are following a target or a terrorist the first way to follow them in addition to putting people on the street which is very inefficient, look at e-mail phone traffic. in the age of the internet now, in 2015 as the director said
retired general mark hertling phil mudd and peter bergen. thanks for joining us. reuters is reporting that these recent 11 plain threats may have some from isis simp thiters. how can you stop anything like this? somebody makes a random call and says there are chemical weapons on a plane coming into jfk into new york you have to scramble jets? a couple of ways to attack stuff like this. the digital trail. did this person make a mistake if they phoned in their threat? and did they talk to the wrong person and indicate to a friend family that they were going to do this? the one piece that s making this spy story tougher is that we ve talked about the government collecting more intelligence, e-mail phone traffic. meanwhile, private citizens have more access to things like