some jail time. it sends a message to the court but also sends a message to each person down the road that s yet to be interviewed by the office. nancy, let s turn to the manafort trial. in your piece for the washington post you write this about judge t.s. ellis. you said, during the trial ellis intervened regularly, and mainly against one side, the prosecution. the judge s interruptions occurred in the presence of the jury and on matters of substance, not courtroom conduct. he disparaged the prosecution s evidence, misstated its legal theories, even implied that prosecutors had disobeyed his orders when they had not. how unusual is this kind of behavior in court? and is the prosecution saying anything about it, complaining about it? do they have any repercussions? well, it s very, very unusual. most of the time, we re all admonished to be fair, to be impartial. if you have something to say to one side or the other, you excuse the jury.