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the study aims to test the treatment at treatment at more than two dozen hospitals around the united states on more than 300 patients. we caught up with gerald karpman nine weeks after his procedure. he s back to walking four miles a day. what he doesn t know, though, is whether he actually got stem cells or just a dummy treatment, a placebo. that won t be revealed until the end of the trial. probably late next year. along with answers that could spell hope or disappointment for millions of patients. if you have the placebo effect, it may be the stem cells, i don t know. i haven t thought too much about it. i m just happy i m feeling better. that might be the future of medicine but, you know, there is another way to reverse heart damage that s decidedly low tech. i talk about this a lot. you heard me say this before. but the evidence just got even stronger for food as medicine. cleveland clinic researchers have now confirmed that food can heal your heart.
i think we have a duty as physicians, you know, as the general citizenry to demand that this plant be put through the proper drug development processed of the fda and that s all we ve ever wanted. look, throughout history, right, there have been these constant conflicts between science and politics and there s been times when it just hasn t been easy at all. hopefully i come down on the side of science and facts and data, let people be educated. i hope we get to that point. yep. i agree. i think we will. i have hope. i still love the university of arizona. i will always be devoted to them, and i think this was just the decision of a few shortsighted, negligent administrators who don t see the value of this work. there s a lot of fear out there still. yeah, there really is. appreciate you coming on the program. it s a challenging time for you, but hopefully this will help shine some light on it. thank you so much. thank you so much. appreciate it. you got it. up next an