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that level, whatever that level is that you add on to the debt ceiling. it s a nonstarter generally for a lot of democrats who say, as nancy pelosi once said to me, the cupboard is bare. we can t make any more cuts. and here is the issue. i don t know that the competing philosophies are not what is at stake here when it comes to the american people. it s the vehicle by which those philosophies are trying to be won and that vehicle is you and me and everybody else is trying to get this government back up and running. i have dana bash back up. was that anything you were surprised at hearing? when i hear speaker boehner come out and say that this isn t some damn game, i sort of threw my pen up and thought, i thought we were going to get something out of this not just an additional b battle for messaging and a battle for headlines. no, i m not surprised because that s exactly where we still are. it s very well put, ashleigh, in a battle for messaging and headlines and, you know, there