immune in a recent campaign appearance, pete buttigieg called for decriminalizing all drugs. heroin, meth, crack, you name it. incarceration should not even be a response to drug possessi possession. across the board? so if it is meth or coke or ecstasy, any drug, incarceration isn t. that s right. mark: andrew yang is also calling for the same. mr. yang, you want to decriminalize the possession and use of small amounts of opioids including heroin, how would that solve the crisis? we need to decriminalize opioids for personal use and let the country know this is not a personal failing, this is a systemic government of failing and then we need to open up safe conception and safe injection sites around the country because they save lives. mark: former deputy assistant director of the fbi and he joins us, the thinking of