district, people got pulled out of the third district and packed into the first district to make that as heavily democratic as possible. the fourth district, the same. and so these are just examples of where someone can look at where the people are. and without looking at race can look and say, you know what, i m going to draw a circle around those people and pack them in one place. i know you want to respond, dr. barber. let me say this before you respond. sam says this, he says that north carolina is ground zero for gerrymandering, and that this isn t the first time they ve gotten in trouble for how they ve drawn these lines. no, that s exactly right. what s happening here, it is race. they tried to say it s partisanism, but that s a cover for racism. that s why the first ruling was based on racial grounds. remember, the supreme court has had to agree that north carolina legislators were engaged in surgical racism. now think about this, don, and your audience you have politicia
gerrymandering and redistricting which is fundamentally flawed. let s go back to the fact that the census was done in 2010. republicans took back the house in north carolina and senate in north carolina for the first time in 100 years in 2012. therefore, they were responsible for the lines, not democrats. that s first. no, i m saying before 12 they were responsible for the lines, and there was no complaints. second is second is well, that s because the lines weren t drawn as they were in 2012. they were drawn very against republicans. second, i was actually as a state legislator, i was on the committee that went around and drew lines in south carolina. we had three republicans, two democrats. i was one of the democrats. we drew the house lines, we drew the senate lines, and we drew the congressional lines. what you learned about the process is and i thought this was where mike was going with the congressional black caucus, he went somewhere else, is, yes, throughout the
carolina. that s what happened in wisconsin. that s what happened in maryland. that s what our courts have to address. you said this is code for democrats can t win because they drew the lines wrong. explain what you mean. first of all, it s amazing where were all these voices before 2012 when there was state after state that had lines that had been drawn by democratic legislatures that were completely against republicans, including in north carolina, by the way? that s not true, though. the democrats controlled the state senate up until the 2010 election. that s not true. let me tell you i ll let you respond in a second. you can say everything you want. let s look at illinois. the illinois map drawn entirely by democrats actually hurts hispanic voters and hispanic population in the chicago area in favor of african-americans. this happens over and over and over again. i think, don, what you should do is get someone from the congressional black caucus to come on your s
and so these are just examples of where someone can look at where the people are. and without looking at race can look and say, you know what, i m going to draw a circle around those people and pack them in one place. i know you want to respond, dr. barber. let me say this sam says that north carolina is ground zero for gerrymandering, and that this isn t the first time they ve gotten in trouble for how they ve drawn these lines. no, that s exactly right. what s happening here, it is race. they tried to say it s partisanism, but that s a cover for racism. remember, the supreme court has had to agree that north carolina legislators were engaged in surgical racism. now think about this, don, and your audience you have politicians from the president to the congress to state houses who would swear that they are not race, but they have participated and been complicit in this voter suppression. what happens here is we do not have the protections of the voting rights act anymore. it