rachel: a new fox nation series explores how three master minuters elizabeth holmes the fake saudi prince and the grifter finally taken down for their scams. one demonstration in a laboratory not long after i joined one of these devices exploded while it was drawing blood. and blood splattered everywhere. elizabeth is standing next to me. i nudged her on the shoulder i said elizabeth, this is terrible. this is what you want to go live with on patients? she didn t even look up. she continued texting on her blackberry. rachel: kacie mcdonnell hosts scam preneurs on fox nation. she joins us now. this is so fascinating. you go give a deep dive into how they did this. it s on the heels of this sam bankman-fried ftx stuff. i have to say the fox nation
that interview with joe tacopina we played a little off the top let s play more of it now, talking about the word lie a lie to me is something material, under oath. i didn t say perjury. i said a lie. that s not a lie. it s not a lie? here s why it s not a lie. that s not a lie? put the paper down. did you know about this no, i don t. we don t need that. here s why it s not a lie. it was a confidential settlement if he acknowledged that, he would be violating the confidential settlement. was it the truth of course it was not the truth he would be in violation of the agreement. he was abiding by not only his rights, but stormy daniels rights. it seems like we re drawing blood here because you re having a strong reaction. you can say no comment or i m not getting into it. he says no, i didn t know about
and it shows people in this case people paying attention or potentially a jury, one thing that is true and doesn t mean trump is guilty. there is a process but it does show he was lying about this here is a little bit of that exchange here s why it s not a lie. it was a confidential settlement so if he acknowledged that, he would be violating the confidential settlement. is it the truth? of course it s not the truth was he supposed to tell the truth? he would be inlation of the agreement. by him doing that by him doing that it was a stormy daniels s rights. it seems like we are drawing blood here because you are having a strong reaction he lied about it and in a confidential settlement you can say no comment or i m not getting into it. he says and the reason why you look at this, he says no he did know about it. he could have said no comment i don t know anything about it which is what he did i would advise my client to do the same thing. that defense is inconsistent.