so many stories he said because stories have a beginning, middle and end. they have more of an emotional appeal than facts and figures. so if that committee can produce a story, now, and bring it back to the american people, and even greater detail than what we knew on january 6, then you got to hope that will affect more people and maybe that schism in the republican party will get bigger and we ll begin to see some new formation. i guess as a historian having lived through all this you got to hope that there s some hope from what happened and we ve seen it in the long run over and over again in american history. i think that s a really, really important point. i think a lot about the committee, i think a lot of americans, particularly people horrified from what happened on january 6 are looking at the committee and we keep connecting it to the justice department, is there going to be accountability and, you know, are people going to go to jail and are people going to get in trouble
republicans, say this is where the country is going, on this, already majority that believes that this was an insurrection, there s a majority that believes the election was won, but it s got to affect the party structure, and that s what i think, that s where the hope is, that people will be influenced by something that is fair and true. you can t just repeat a lie over and over again, you can also repeat the truth over and over again in a compelling way, and then maybe that will battle the lie that s out there. so sharp, and so important. presidential historian and author doris kerns goodwin, thank you for being here tonight. i m very glad, thank you for having me. much more tonight, stay with us. me. much more tonight, stay with us your heart isn t just yours. protect it with bayer aspirin. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. i ve always been running. to meetings. errands.
happened, which as doris kerns goodwin said is a hope that will build on a common sense account of what actually happened and this common sense account will bring along enough people to keep the republic going. when about the big lie, the lies about the election being perpetrated excuse me, perpetuated for all of those reasons that you described, the one that sticks to me, sort of viscerally, is it serves to provide a justification revenge on trump s behalf. the election was not just a fraud or not just it was stolen. it was stolen. while the victim of that theft is trump and as you say it creates the justification for revenge on his part. today you wrote about the expectation that his followers will want to see him not necessarily elected president but installed as president, with
meant it as a good news story, i know, right, that history is here to help and we can and should learn from it, i know, but honestly, looking at how this unfolded over the course of today, i am ready to hear from somebody who understands these things, how this ends well. joining us now is presidential historian, pulitzer prize winner, author doris kerns goodwin, thank you for making the time on this big day. i m very glad to be with you, rachel. let me ask if i misconstrued the point that you were making today? i tried to sort of play it without interruption, without internal edits so people could hear it the way you presented it because it knocked me off my chair a little bit, let me ask if i interpreted that wrong or heard it wrong? no, absolutely, i think what you saw in the 1850s, and what
violence, this woman turned out in worcester massachusetts, she put this sign on the back of her rubber made bin put on her parka, 1/6/21, never forget, never again. it s never all just one thing. obviously, that ruling from the dc district court tonight, dude you cannot go to jamaica, not today sir, that ruling from the chief judge in dc district court, that was also something to perhaps learn by heart and sing to yourself in the shower. these things all happen at once. but the divide between the two sides of them feels, not just gaping but scary. i mean doris kerns goodwin had something to say today about violence and galvinization and radicalization, she had that to say today about heading off the possibility of a civil war, she