be held accountable. at the very least, mr. obama needs to authorize a full and independent criminal investigation. the times calling for former vice president dick cheney and other bush officials to be included in any investigation. carolyn, should dick cheney and others be prosecuted? yeah, i think they should. and i think the new york times outlined this extremely well. what kind of precedent does it set, if president obama says, we ve just had this horrendous torture report released, yes, this is terrible, but we need to look forward now. no, you can t just look forward. you must look back. i would also add the caveat, if you re going to talk about prosecuting those responsible for the torture, you should consider pardoning those who have already been held and charged with a crime, who is the whistle-blower in all of this, the only person who has been implicated and actually tried. i think dick cheney should be
he can t get it done with this congress. because whoever runs in 2016 will need a compelling story about rebuilding the middle class and the american dream because it s falling apart. thank you both for your time tonight. thank you, reverend. and joan. coming up, should dick cheney be prosecuted for torture? calls tonight for eric holder to open a criminal investigation. plus, developing news tonight. internet outrage cutting north korea off from the rest of the world. and will the interview movie be released after all? sony is talking about it and we will too. conversation nation is next. i take prilosec otc each morning for my frequent heartburn. because it gives me. zero heartburn! prilosec otc.
prosecuted, but also the president needs to take it upon himself to pardon the whistle-blowers. in our country, if you look at our system of justice, we take into when someone commits a crime, unless the statute of limitations has run, we hold these people accountable for committing crimes. if you look at the international treaty that we are a part of, the convention against torture, don t torture, and that people who do are prosecuted for torture. and no one, no matter how senior, can be above the law. it s not just a matter of law. it s a matter of principle. how can we as a country, go forward and try to influence other countries to prosecute people who torture if we don t do it ourselves? josh, your view? i m on the news side. i have nothing to do with what the ed board says. chinese wall. the greatest value that would come out of a prosecution would be a public airing of exactly what happened here. an extension of the value that was in the senate torture report
thought they were ahead of the game, about you you shouldn t discount the united states. that is the moral of the story. because they will come and get you, if it is the united states government and they ll get you good. because we ll never know. right? the u.s. government will probably never acknowledge it. but and the government really isn t in the business of attacking another country s internet. normally when you see us involved in or looking at internet access in other countries it s a defense mechanism, or you re looking at potential terrorists. now to a question of, should people be prosecuted for torture? the aclu is calling for attorney general holder to open a criminal investigation into the torture program. and the new york times editorial board wants to prosecute torturers. no amount of legal pretzel logic can justify the behavior detailed in the report. indeed it is impossible to read it and conclude that no one can
than they were in other neighborhoods because they knew people couldn t get out of the neighborhood to go shop because no one would let them in those stores. and who did they send in to calm the sweltering feelings? the police. so they were the first point of where some of that anger would get fomented and it s not ent e entirely their fault. a lot of it has to do with the society that was always antagonistic to people who lived in these neighborhoods. let s try to keep looking at the big picture and solve the real problems of policing and of community. governor david patterson, thanks so much for your time and your perspective. thank you for having me, reverend. coming up, we ll have developing news from north korea tonight. north korea s internet has gone dark. is it a cyber attack? or another question. should dick cheney be prosecuted for torture? there are calls for legal action