can t go after him for his character because that is what people really like about him. i was watching you and jocko who you wrote the book with on fox 5, you were talking about what is means to lead and to own things. one of the things these guys don t do on the stage, and one gal, is owning their mistakes. when they re challenged by certain moderators, they don t really take ownership of things happened in their states. they deflect and they blame. there is not a lot of extreme ownership on the debate stages. do you think there should be or is that conceding mistakes and liability in an election? i think in politics that is kind of cardinal rule, don t take ownership. shift blame. redirect fire. andrea: right. i think the opposite is true. when we see issues in leadership, if you stand up and take ownership of something, everyone will make mistakes. no one is infallible no matter how experienced competent. if you take ownership of things,