shade more likely today maybe than it did yesterday. yeah. elliott, two of pence s top aides have already spoken at length to the january 6th committee. now pence is very publicly distancing himself from trump. look, you can t believe it until it happens. right? but does that tell you anything about what might be coming in the trove of documents the committee has obtained? yeah. a couple things about mike pence, don. first it is one thing this point really needs to be made. it is one thing to make a statement in a speech. it is another thing to make it in a deposition or hearing or transcribed interview that is official and in the possession of the committee. if mike pence were truly serious about this break from donald trump he would come into the committee and put all these things on the record. people should know it doesn t need to be the primetime hearing with him banging a shoe on the table in front of the members of congress. it can be in private and frankly not even under
don t recall. so you don t remember if there was one before the violence started? i don t. and that it was ten minutes? i don t. interesting. funny because he told the house rules committee in december he talked to the then president after the attack on the capitol not before and said he had been clear about that. rules committee chairman jim mcgovern tweeting this report directly contradicts what you said before the rules committee. what are you trying to hide? the congressman seems to have a recurring problem with his memory. specifically his memory of a phone call he might have had with the president of the united states on one of the worst days in the nation s history. when the building where he works was attacked by blood thirsty trump supporters. remember this? jim jordan, hemming and hawing. trying not to make eye contact, thrown for a loop by one very simple question, did you speak with the then president on january 6th? did you speak with president trump on january
certification of the election. the fact that this conversation happened in the morning before congress met to certify the election shows how in close contact these two were. now, congressman jordan has said himself that he spoke with the former president that day, but he has been very unclear about how long those conversations were, when exactly they happened. i spoke with him yesterday on capitol hill to try and pin down some of those details. take a listen. i said i had a number of calls with i talked to the president a couple times, but i don t remember the times. you don t remember if it was the morning? if there was one in the morning before i don t recall, but i know i talked to him after we left off the floor, but i don t recall. reporter: as you can hear from that audio, congressman jordan is, you know, really not
the morning? if there was one in the morning? i don t recall. i know i talked to him after we left off the floor but i don t recall. okay. so, andrew, the committee has been reluctant to subpoena lawmakers. what are their options? if they don t subpoena the lawmakers? come on. subpoena this guy. for god s sake. we know he is on the record having said that he did not talk to him in the morning. now we know that he did talk to him in the morning. the committee has a job to do here and the job is to bring him in and ask him these questions in a pointed and direct way and back up the questions with the record we now have. congressman jordan has a history of conveniently not remembering things that may have come to his attention earlier in his life. so i would say they need to drill to the bottom of this thing no matter what it takes.
take a listen to this. as i said, i have a number of calls with i talked to the president a couple times a day, but i don t remember the times. i don t remember you don t remember if it was the morning, if there was one in the morning before? i don t recall. but i know i talked to him after we left off the floor, but i don t know the call. so while jordan is not answering clearly when he spoke to trump that day, he does provide a new detail that he spoke to trump off the floor, which is more specific than he s ever been. but the big picture here which is that the committee is trying to write the narrative is trying to create a time line of events and this call between trump and jordan that occurred on the morning of january 6th is a new detail to add to that time line. yeah. that line, i don t recall, you know, obviously makes you