is that you have this video and you have audio. i will, though, say that we had audio in the trial of george zimmerman where he was on the phone saying i m going to follow this kid and the 911 operator was saying, don t follow him. and george zimmerman was found not guilty. i think about the mother of eric garner. she always reminds me that her son was killed while screaming i can t breathe 11 times on video. it was clear what was happening. the officer was in charge in that case. the video is clear here, but video has never been a sort of a sort of guarantee to justice in this country. not for some. jonathan, adding to that frustration is the fact that gun control and police reform have gotten nowhere in congress. no, no question there. and i think that it is something that frustrates a lot of democrats, a lot of african americans and a lot of americans who many of whom voted for president biden, voted
who is adequate liviu is different from my own. but i think that it s reflective of this understanding that to criticize this country means you are no longer able to be a representative of this country, which is a strange thing for someone who in 2015 described america as a hell hole to do. it s interesting, though, this hasn t changed. this is the same language you used of the judge in indiana. the same language he has used again and again and again. you don t think racism is getting more explicit in some cases? i think you have been paying attention,ing this is just the basic way in which he talks about people with whom who don t follow him. i think there is an understanding of trump. and i think one of the challenges we have, you re going to start seeing a lot of people attempt to defend these tweets by arguing, no, no, no he just meant this one representative, he just meant this. maybe he did mean go back to cincinnati. but you re going to start to see
don t listen to what this guy is saying. lisa: 100%. not only did this guy s been nine years in prison for armed robbery and kidnapping, but harris: completely unrelated to this. lisa: on a separate think paper there was a poll in 2016 that found 60 and the percent of americans think he s guilty. so if you re among that 69% and he think he s a murderer, as harris: had said, don t follow him. don t give him that platform. do your best to deny them that opportunity by not enabling him by giving him a brief follow oo eating everything he says. harris: i don t mean to be pessimistic, have we slipped into the land of the spectacular? people want to be involved in the drama of all this? melissa: that certain to be true. whether he wants to get even or pay back whatever harris: what does that mean? melissa: what could that possibly mean? you are out, you are golfing, you are in vegas, there are people that lives ended. so i don t know what amount of
there was no legal or any other reason that zimmerman should have approached trayvon martin according to transcript. in fact, he was told don t follow him. so he s a much different the other thing is unlike a lot of coverage that a lot of media and we have been doing, the family had made the request in the beginning for the justice department. i was there in the meeting when the broad civil rights issues was raised. this is not a new question. there is new petitions, new drive. the request was made and the justice department said we will suspend our inquiry until after the trial. so i think that a lot of people are trying to act like this started now because of the verdict. this is being picked up after the trial. the meeting was with the u.s. attorney in the beginning. i know there in sanford because i was part of the meeting raising broader civil rights issues. the family requested it then with attorney crump. i think we need to correct a lot of people acting like this is
afraid of it? whenever the reason, the fact is that it is having tremendously negative effect on the discussion in general. bill: not only that having tremendously negative impact on the black community in general because more black americans are dying. there is no way on earth this travon martin george zimmerman trial should be getting this coverage. the only reason it s doing it is because it is a light skinned hispanic against a black kid. i think that the centerpiece of the trial and the issue at least for african-americans is that this man was told by his dispatcher don t follow him. bill: that s a key to it it s an interesting case one way or the other because of the stand your ground law and 911 call, it is. no doubt about it i m not complaining about seeing let s see how the justice system works here. i m not complaining about that what i do fear very much is that if zimmerman is acquitted and it looks like he will be, all right, black americans are going to react negat