if you read the legislative history of the law that toxic control substances law which bans them regulating ammunition, i will acknowledge that, but i m reading from the committee report, when the law was passed, it says the committee does not exclude from regulation under the bill chemical components of ammunition, which could be hazardous because of the chemical property. i know. they obviously have, they have the right to do that. arthel: mr. dan, there is also saying by excluding military and law enforcement from the ban the original petition from 2010 what you re talking about would have also banned military and law enforcement ammunition. we ll not break down the laws here. the lawsuit has been dismissed. lawrence let me move over to you now. you would like, you re trying to get the sportsman heritage act of 2012 passed the what is it i you would like the epa to do and why do you think epa and congress needs to get involved?
i will give mr. dan the final word. what is it you would like the american people to know as it pertains to your concerns about wildlife conservation? well, when i think of lead, i think of lead paint, flaking off of walls you know that, you know that the lead . arthel: let him finish. he has 30 seconds. i have to give him the last word. be honest. don t miss representative sent yeah. and that is what i m trying to say talking about spurious arguments. the united states government has banned lead in waterfowl hunting. u.s. fish and wildlife service. not epa. waterfowl hunting is the, hunters are very happy. they re content. they made the switch. certain states have banned the use of lead. we have no problem with states regulating. epa has no jurisdiction. what in your organization insists spewing this stocks inin the environment. led is on the periodic
constitutional scholars i talk to is, that the individual mandate, the requirement that everyone has to buy health insurance, at the heart of obamacare, may be thrown out as unconstitutional. that would take those leaks in the boat of obamacare and turn it into a full-fledged gusher. it would be going for the rocks. bill: it will be a major headline whatever they decide. john fund, thank you, from the american spectator with us here in new york. arthel: there is a new push to ban hunters from using led-based ammunition. conservationists are saying the bullets should be classified as a toxic substance. they say animals are vulnerable to poisoning and want government regulation but many hunters say this is an attempt to limit gun rights. lawrence keane, senior vp and general counsel for the national shooting sports foundation. donnie dan. national bird conservancy to talk about it. mr. dan, the epa, saying
table. we support wildlife [all talking at once]. arthel: they will not stop talking. thank you, lawrence keane, donnie dan, thank you very much for your time. that is heated debate. bill: i like that. there is a lot of passion there. arthel: you can understand. bill: indeed you can. see which way it goes. meantime we re waiting to figure out how this one goes. a humanitarian crisis in zoo syria. should the united states military get involved in another conflict? arizona john mccain is standing by. he make as strong case live. you will hear it in moment. here is a roadp trip for you. a daredevil s attempt to skydive from the 75,000 feet. what have you done? 35,000? bill: 15,000. and you? arthel: zero. i stay grounded. bill: that is rocketman. road trip. man we re going. [ female announcer ] water was meant to be perfect.