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MSNBC The Beat With Ari Melber June 4, 2024 22:28:00

for is not the public part, although that may be furthering the conspiracy. the understood lying key thing is they say they have evidence she and others were trying to lie to the government and submit fraudulent documents and have people pretend to be public officials. you have freedom of fashion in america, right? you can wear anything. you can wear something that criticizes the government or has political views. but that doesn t mean you can dress up as a police officer and try to kidnap people, right? that makes sense. you can t dress up as a public official or an elector either. so that s what she s indicted for. now, another part of the case is different than jack smith s case in the other probes. you heard follow the money. here, the d.a., follow the lies as late as they went, which is way past president biden being sworn in. you remember inauguration day? take it all the way back. i mentioned biden s november win was the obvious end of the race for most people. the january 6th i

MSNBC The Beat With Ari Melber June 4, 2024 22:07:00

criminal case. but the lies of course continue. why would they stop if that s how we got here? so there are lies about the prosecutors, there are lies about the judicial process. there are lies about whether this is even happening, some of which we re not repeating. donald trump blatantly lied about the last couple days. yet the facts are what the case turns on when a jury is asked to find, and the facts were what was on display as we watched that quite historic set of developments into the night last night. we want to bring in two legal experts. david kelly was the chief of the famed sdny, a former federal prosecutor and i should mention, my former boss and jay tom morgan, former district attorney for dekalb county, georgia, a neighbor of fulton county. welcome to you both. david, in your courtrooms we don t see that kind of stuff and don t see televised trials. i begin at the big picture

MSNBC The Beat With Ari Melber June 4, 2024 22:36:00

whether you can lie to congress the try to steal an election, again, no. now, this case is in some ways different than all the other ones that have come before it, and it is by far the most sweeping. this is the first time we have seen anyone affiliated with donald trump s legal team or white house indicted for coup crimes, what they call racketeering. with that in mind we call in the district attorney for georgia edward tarver and melissa murray. welcome to both of you. edward, i walked through what i admitted was a small part of this thing, that we cannot in an hour or five hours go through what would be a multimonth set of trials for these 19 defendants. but based on the highlights we ve picked, would you say those involve strong evidence, for example the efforts to lie to georgia, to push georgia officials to potentially break the law to steal the georgia results? do you think those look like strong evidence to you if you were trying to this case?

MSNBC The Beat With Ari Melber June 4, 2024 22:38:00

if that was the entire and total conduct. what the d.a. seems to have done effectively is put it in the wider context of all of these plots, some of which are blatant foreignry and fraud, blatant efforts to impersonate officials. you can t pretend to be the chief of police legally and try to pull people over. you can t pretend to be an elector. what do you think about that distinction given your experience trying cases in georgia and how a jury how you present to a jury that this might be unethical, but alone we couldn t charge it, but together it now becomes evidence? well, you tie it into the conspiracy. in this case you have 18 defendants in addition to president trump. they were all acting in different locations, involved in different activities. but as i said earlier, because

MSNBC The Beat With Ari Melber June 4, 2024 22:55:00

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