it s the chest bump that we all been waiting to see jeb bush do in order to humanize himself and show us that he s not a stiff. so i don t know where to go with that, lawrence. you know what, you can ignore it. but i think to your point is that he s trying to become softer and it s so awkward. he has still very much the same problem that mitt romney had and that hillary has had until recently when she did 11 hours of benghazi toe to toe and actually provided a humanness and was able to stand up to her. but let me go back to the whole immigration debate. quite frankly, the sound bite keeps saying amnesty. no one is talking about amnesty. they re saying let s fix the system and get it done the right way. cruz understands in order to win the primary, he has to be as extreme as possible, but that doesn t mean he s going to win the white house. and what rubio understands is that he actually has his eyes set on winning that white house. so he has to figure out how to thread the needle
so i don t know where to go with that, lawrence. you know what, you can ignore it. but i think to your point is that he s trying to become softer and it s so awkward. he has still very much the same problem that mitt romney had and that hillary has had until recently when she did 11 hours of benghazi toe to toe and actually provided a humanness and was able to stand up to her. but let me go back to the whole immigration debate. quite frankly, the sound bite keeps saying amnesty. no one is talking about amnesty. they re saying let s fix the system and get it done the right way. cruz understands in order to win the primary, he has to be as extreme as possible, but that doesn t mean he s going to win the white house. and what rubio understands is that he actually has his eyes set on winning that white house. so he has to figure out how to thread the needle very carefully. listen to him where he says, i do believe that some people are going to have to be deported. i think most people
shot, jeb hasn t recovered. he s got to look like a candidate for his attacks to be credible. you know, rubio right now attacks from jeb, he can brush off now. saying, well, you re told to do this. your campaign is suffering. now, that doesn t mean he s fair game for everybody else and maybe trump makes rubio his target and rubio may be the real threat here. not ben carson? look. who knows? i know. a montage of trump from i think from last night in illinois. let me play this montage of trump attacking carson and rubio. president trump! president trump! if you try to hit your mother over the head with a hammer your poll numbers go up. a lot of weird things this is a strange election, isn t it? this is the only election in history where you re better off if you stab somebody. everyone tells me rubio s a wonderful speaker. i said, really?
really know what the point of his candidacy at that point is. i think you see a deep dive as other candidates pile on to somebody who can t make a win. what else is he going to talk about at that point? wes? it s so humerus that all of these pundits have continued to predict the demise of donald trump. this is the first day in the sun for pundits to try to see trump fall. just because he loses in iowa or doesn t win iowa, it doesn t mean he s going to lose in iowa. it will be interesting for another candidate to have full scrutiny on him if, in fact, carson wins. now we re good to have to really learn what his policies are. but you have to admit, though, from a donald trump perspective, when winning is everything all the time, he set the bar higher than any other candidate in modern political history to wipe the floor with everyone else. when you talk about other candidates, about how they have to go talk to their mom and dad, by the way, former president of the united states of
obama term. and that s one of the closest friendships between a president and a vice president we had in american history. major league personal friends. it was bittersweet, i would say. but when you have a career as long as joe biden s and the fact of the matter is he still has over a year, well over a year as a sitting vice president and the fact that he says i m going to be an elder statesperson. i m going to stay involved with political issue doesn t mean he s disappearing from the scene. there is a lot of politics in the coming months. we re lucky to have you with us. thank you so much. thank you, douglas. thank you. appreciate it. and hillary clinton will appear before the house