we ll build a democracy. we ll make sure that al qaeda doesn t come back. and so we made two mistakes. one we engaged in nation-building for ten years. the other mistake was trusting the pakistanis. bill: if this goes the way you re laying out, this does not look good for this administration. doesn t look dad for anybody. bill: they will leave behind a country in shambles you allege, just as much as we found it in 2001. bad things will happen. i think what will happen is that if there is any chance that this ends well, it is if we get all the countries in the region who have a stake in this, india, pakistan, russia, china, even iran and get some kind of a cease-fire everybody agrees to, we ll not supply and let the fighting stop, i don t think that s going it happen. i think they fight their way to the finish. bill: quite revealing. kt, thank you. chuck hagel said the afghans have to negotiate with the afghans, the u.s. can not be, perhaps they could help perhaps but they have to t