would pat cipollone say more to a federal grand jury than he would to the january 6th committee? he would have to be forced to because whe obviously made a certain set of requirements that he would talk about certain things but not others to the january 6th committee. but the federal prosecutors will want to know more, especially about his conversations with trump because after all, remember, donald trump is someone who doesn t text, who doesn t use email. so, the only way to determine his intent, which is obviously a central issue in this criminal investigation, is through the testimony of the people speaking with him. i know we ve endlessly talked about these exec tiff claim privileges, some of them phony, some of them not. how does that get adjudicated? who decides? it will go through the courts. it s not just executive privilege here. it s also attorney/client privilege. even though he s a government lawyer, the courts have held there are certain aspect was oattorney/client p
so almost certainly this will be going to court. remember who we are talking about. this is an investigation of donald trump, someone who doesn t text, doesn t email. so the only way we are going to know what donald trump was doing and thinking is through witnesses. cipollone, as we know from cassidy hutchinson testimony, was involved in this, was trying to keep things under control. isn t a grand jury testimony, isn t that more important in front of the january six committee? the court, sometimes, yes, give more deference to a grand jury investigation than a congressional investigation. but maybe it s still not 100 and clear. your colleagues at the new york times, maggie haberman, is reporting that john eastman sent an email to rudy giuliani two weeks after jury six saying they should sue georgia to keep searching for fraud well acknowledging that they won t find any fraud. so he knew the truth.
questioning the question is how could that questioning be different? but it can be different because this is more of a the january 6th committee is a political, right? that s political. jeffrey, this is legal. this would be more of a legal investigation. right. but there are legal obstacles. i mean, there are issues of executive privilege that could be raised. there are issues of attorney-client privilege that could be raised even though they were both government lawyers, the courts have held that in certain circumstances with certain kinds of communication the attorney-client privilege is invoked. almost certainly this will be going to court. but remember who we re talking about. this is an investigation of donald trump now. this is someone who doesn t text, who doesn t e-mail. so the only way we re going to know what donald trump was doing and thinking is through witnesses. and cipollone, as we know from cassidy hutchinson s testimony, was involved in this was
investigation as well. cnn has learned that the man who was [inaudible] trying to do what was, right former white house counsel pat cipollone has been subpoenaed by a federal grand jury. sources also tells cnn that the deputy white house counsel, patrick philbin, has also been subpoenaed. both men have already testified before the house select committee. to talk about it all with cnn chief legal analyst, jeffrey toobin, a former federal prosecutor. would pat cipollone say more to a federal prosecutor then he went to the january 6th committee? he would have to be fourth. you because he obviously made a certain set of requirements that he would talk about certain things but now the others to the january 6th committee. right. but the federal prosecutors will want to know more, especially about his conversations with trump. because, after, all remember, donald trump is someone who doesn t text, who doesn t use email. so, the only way to determine his intent which is obviously a c
what he was saying, thinking, doing in those moments. the other thing about molly michael is everybody knows i think by this point that donald trump doesn t text, he doesn t e-mail. so people who are in communication with the president or had been up until january 6th know that there are a few ways to get to him. the first way for the most part to get to him was to call molly and then she would scream into the oval or try to find him in the dining room off the oval. she was the one taking the incoming. we have to squeeze in a quick break. jamie, i m going to come back to you. i need to know more about these people in disguise. get some more reporting on that. i m going to be asking about that. we have new details what s motivating one of today s live witnesses to testify. we ll squeeze in a quick break. stay with us. inside a panini. egging, maining, siding, plain-ing. debunk the inglorious. one shape s victorious.