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and often once you come across a key piece of intelligence it seems to happen quickly. that seems to be what triggered the onset of this investigation months ago. i wouldn t necessarily think of it as legitimate criticism that we weren t going after abu bakr al baghdadi because of course we were. let me ask you this other question. the president was very forthcoming in describing how he said baghdadi died. he said he didn t die a hero. he died a coward. he was crying, whimpering and screaming and he brought three kids with him to his death. he knew the tunnel had no end. to your experience, crying, whimpering, screaming, is that information the president would have been able to obtain in watching this raid or in speaking to people afterwards? i m not sure where he would have gotten that information based on the way he was monitoring the operation in the situation room. and i would actually rely much more on what you re hearing out of the pentagon, either from sources at the podium.
the sunk cou.s. used to provide positive identification after the raid that president trump spoke about it. how did the u.s. obtain any kind of dna information on him. remember he was held before he escaped in iraq years ago. it is possible they have some sort of bio metrics from him from that. the general, the leader of the kurdish led syrian democratic forces told your colleague that in fact this source was able to provide the information and then during the raid he was there and the u.s. was able to distract him out safely at the end of the raid. there were initial reports that u.s. forces called out the individual by name. it does fit into the narrative we are now beginning to flush out more and more of the details. courtney, i want to ask you about president trump s remark about baghdadi himself wh
information that allowed us to figure out where he was. richard engel was on air a little bit earlier talking about one person in particular who actually was able to pass on dna information from baghdadi to the americans so they d be able to confirm it was him once they went into that raid. at the same time, i mean, these are alliances that the president has demeaned. partnerships that he s diminished. he s pulling out of syria. he s abandoning the kurds. i mean, there are national security experts who have said to reporters that this raid happened successfully not because of the president but in spite of him. and that s not wrong. the intervening hours since this raid have demonstrated how crucial our partnership with the kurds was and remains. and how they continue to work on our behalf even as the president says, you re going to have to abandon your homeland and be functionally, ethnically
valuable. you can like the dna information? no. i believe president trump referenced files and other information removed from the site as well as other targets which could prove useful as far as our ongoing counterterrorism operations against isis. fred, it strikes me that president trump s comments today really understocut his own narrative. he said u.s. forces were in the lead and conducted the operation. a few days ago he said we could hand off critical missions to other countries. it really does understood ccut president s narrative to date. are you doubting, samantha, that the u.s. took the lead on that? no, not at all. just that it is counter to what the president had said days ago in terms of justifying the