to the visa lottery system, some of the other stepped up internal enforcement measures that are part of this framework are completely unacceptable. they feel like it s the kind of thing where the dreamers are being held for ransom here. look, it s important to point out, this is not a bill. this is a framework. there is that bipartisan senate group that is working on coming up with a piece of legislation. there s thegroups in the houseworking on coming up with pieces of legislation that won t look a lot like this. i think the key point here is going to be finding out whether or not this proposal from the white house is their starting point in negotiation or they see it as their ending point in negotiation. that will be the critical factor in finding out what, if anything, can become law out of this. it s worth pointing out, we re working on a two or three-week time line here. as is the proud congressional tradition, this will come right down to the wire, stephanie. surprise, surprise
chuck schumer, nancy pelosi, and the whole republican leadership group. and i ll tell you what, we walked out of there, mitch and paul and everybody, kevin, and we walked out and everybody was happy. well, then weather me now new york times political reporter and msnbc contributor jeremy peters and my panel, steven kornacki and eddie glau. iermy, your latest story is titled for conservatives, donald trump s deal with democrats is a nightmare come true. how so? if you think about it from a conservative perspective, stephanie, what they always feared was that donald trump would sell them out. there were these lingering doubts about the sincerity of his conservativism, the conviction of his beliefs, whether or not he would be true to himself or true to them. yesterday they may have gotten an answer to that question, an answer that a lot of them didn t like. i spoke with a number of
back to the debate of confederate monuments. following the violence in charlottesville this week, across america symbols and monuments celebrating controversial civil war era figures have been removed or in some cases vandalized. as mentioned on twit their morning, the president railed against the loss of, quote, beautiful statues. a clear sign he s not backing down from his off the rails comments that he made of charlottesville on tuesday. a lot to discuss with the panel. josh, is the president trying to focus or refocus attention on the monuments issue as sort of a cultural divide and away from his more incendiary comments? yes, because it s a much more popular stand. with republicans than defending white supremacist marchers which is very unpopular. so returning it to the issue of statues and heritage and history and the demands of what trump would view as the liberal secular culture, wanting to tear down these monuments to our history i think puts him on safer ground than he was
opportunity really to not just educate our students, but to educate the broader university community that we were a part of. mayor william bell, i appreciate you being on and ken ruscio as well. it s an interesting and important discussion. i appreciate it. up next, my panel s take on this. should the confederate statues stay or go? we ll be right back.
the point is, i think is however a political problem for democrats because while the general electorate may be turning on donald trump, he has always had a distinct brand from the republican party and it s not donald trump that will be on the ballot in 2018. i can t remember how many panels i sat on during the election, and there were a lot of democrats during the election that seemed gleeful over things donald trump had done and yet donald trump seemed to know something that a lot of folks on the panel didn t understand about his electorate. that may well be the case now. as much as democrats are excited about upcoming midterm elections, donald trump, there is a reason he is doing this. he is not fool in terms of who his base is and who he needs to appeal to, right? i think that evil is on the march again. we see it overseas. we see it here at home. nazis are marching here. i see them marching overseas. so that s a real component of