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there was 191 billion in fraud. that was at the minimum. they re projecting that it could go as north as $400 billion. when 878 billion was in this program, you re talking about nearly half. we re going to have to help hopefully help that the white house will be a partner in this. we also requested the department of justice be part of the hearing. guess what? they refuse to participate. they have only been able to return a couple million dollars when almost $200 billion has been fraud. i hope the white house will show up. they don t like to have a lot of lights turned on in to the darkness that they ve been approaching. neil: chairman, what is interesting here is i remember distinctly, a rush to get this dough out the door. in the middle of covid a lot of people were hurting. there was not a check and balance system to make sure the right people were getting the

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