48 past the hour. a live look at the white house as the sun comes up over washington. let s bring in independent journalist marcie wheeler. she s a former senior fellow at george washington university, center for cyber and homeland security, and perhaps she can shed some light on this hillary so-called scandal. ms. wheeler, what is so fascinating about your work is you were extremely skeptical of the original story when it came out in 2016, and you were telling everybody at the time this is bogus, this is nonsense, nothing to see here. so you ve already hit that side. but now tell us about this
spying? quite the opposite, joe. one of the things that s contained in that court filing that mika was just reading from, there is no mention at all that sussman when he presented information to a second u.s. agency in february of 2017, which we know to be the cia, that when he presented that information he was not being paid by the clinton campaign anymore. there was no, according to his lawyers in a filing made last night, there was no clinton campaign anymore. so you look at the new york post , which as everybody knows is my favorite publication on the face of the earth for the stuff, the swill that we read every day from it for fun. but they said, quote, paid for. they had something else. people are desperately trying to connect hillary clinton with this lawyer, giving him money saying, go, spy on donald trump. that never happened. he wasn t being paid, like you said, in 2017 when he went
data traffic that travels on the internet that s non-private, that there s a giant industry that does dns data mining. huge industry, it is enormous. does it all the time. it has nothing to do with hacking into people s computers and looking through their computers. nothing to do with that. if there were hacking here somebody should be going into the jail, if someone intruded into the white house. what the russians did to hillary clinton for instance. i want to be clear on you all going back and forth and what you are talking about. if what they did had been illegal we would have had a charge. correct. there s not been a charge against joffe. there s not been a charge against hillary clinton s campaign. there s not been a charge against anybody except this lawyer sussman on such an extraordinary weak charge that, again, most legal observers down the middle are saying there s no way they re ever going to convict him on this. it is going to be difficult because when you
to build trump tower moscow. maybe it had to do with the fact a trump tower meeting occurred with the russian delegation asking for dirt on hillary clinton. may it hard to do with the fact a russia oligarch employed paul manafort to have him doing lobbying. what did trump do? he not only benefited but rewarded it. tom winter, if you want to go back to see how dangerous the so-called russian hoax was, you don t have to listen to msnbc primetime hosts. you don t have to read the new york times editorial page. just read the republican senate intel committee report. that s a very good point. when marco rubio was running that committee, talking about the danger to america s national security that donald trump s contacts, his campaign s contacts with russia posed. and they actually advanced mueller s report understanding of that.
yesterday it is just the most i spent yesterday reading through this stuff, reading through durham s indictment seriously, i don t know for hours. who wrote that because it was gobbledy-gook. you were wait a second, did it happen during the trump administration, the spying on the then you had editorials saying hillary should be hung at high noon. of course, they didn t charge her with anything or suggest she did anything wrong or we don t really know when this happened, and you sit there going, wait a second, it really is the biggest cluster. okay. now we ve started this way. it is going to be very interesting to see what durham does next because it is well, we will have alex says next block.