you can t run fast enough. mr mccabe. i know you are standing by on all of this. i think this is we re at like 129 mass shootings in this country so far this year. and that s what more than the days of the year that we ve already been through. this is different, though, than we ve seen in the recent past. it looks like it s potentially someone who was disgruntled. what are you learning? well i mean, that s right, sarah. it s it is, indeed you know, in the most kind of specific details, it s different from the last mass shooting that we all got together to talk about, um, the shooting in in nashville. the covenant school. um but every one of these is unique in some respect each one of these um, mass shooters are different people and potentially carry different motivations, different grievances, different mental health challenges. whatever that mixture might be. that brings them to this moment whether
now is cnn senior law enforcement analyst former deputy director of the fbi andrew mccabe. cnn national security analyst juliette kayyem . john miller sticking it was here with us throughout this press conference listening to all of this, andy your reaction to what we ve just learned the latest update from louisville. yeah. so obviously a solid press conference by the chief. they re giving us some really relevant information taking couple questions, but then getting off the stage and letting us no one will be back. um as far as the incident is concerned, i mean, what we ve heard described is you can you can only imagine how you re in violent. the scene was that these police police officers showed up on only three minutes from the phone call until they arrive on scene, which is um, you know, really a pretty pretty remarkable response time and the and the shots are still being fired. as they arrive. they immediately deploy their own weapons gain entry to the building and one
enforcement come in. so what we know from the eyewitnesses and certainly the police reporting people within the bank knew exactly what to do, and some of them got into the vault very quickly. we also know there was a three minutes there was only three minutes for the police to come in. you don t the in terms of time. that is fantastic and still remember. still a lot of people are dead, and we don t know how many more dead from their injuries who are now at the hospital, and so then that gets to and, uh, director mccabe s point, and i and i want to make this clear. every one of these instances has two questions. what is the motive? what is the means in all of these? what is the motive can be answered differently. we visit a bank robbery. is it workplace violence is it? uh x y or z? uh just a disgruntled person. um we don t know, and they re going to be different. and if we just focus on that we re missing the story of what are the means. and
documents picked up. and also, obviously, there were very few documents. there were fewer than a dozen documents, i am told. and, finally, let s remember two things about donald trump. the justice department is looking at obstruction with him. the long period of time he refused to hand these things over. the number of documents. let s not forget how he magically wanted to say he had declassified everything. right. the biden approach is very different. right, extremely different. jamie is going to stay with us. i want to bring in now the former chief of the justice department s counterintelligence section. he oversaw the probe looking into whether hillary clinton improperly stored or transmitted classified information to secretary of state. so he knows more about this than anyone. and also with me the former deputy fbi director andrew mccabe also, of course, expert on classified information.
cooperated. we ll have to wait and see what led to the depositing of the classified documents in the first place, what was the nexus between former president biden, then vice president biden. but there s no indication of any aggravating factors that would tilt the balance toward pursuing criminal charges thus far. director mccabe, in terms of the possible indictment for trump would be about obstruction of justice and mishandling of classified documents. they ve put the biden investigation, as you have both pointed out in, the hands of a trump-appointed attorney. but does this director affect the doj, the special counsel s, you know, recommendation and decision on indictment for trump? it really doesn t, erin. i mean, look, in the kind of ether, right, there s going to be an enormous amount of pressure on doj and special counsel jack smith in terms of the decision he makes, the existence of this other biden