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MSNBC Ana Cabrera Reports June 4, 2024 14:09:00

on his actions. they need a state of mind that he deliberately did that action. the whole debate of did he really believe it or not, that s some of trump s defense, trying to argue that he had din something correct versus illegal. what is the threshold of proving that? the threshold is based on the totality of the circumstances, they ll need to convince the jury that he had the intent to do these conspiratorial actions. that wasn t by accident. he s going to try to blur that with the advice of counsel type of defense. but for trump s defense, they would like to move the debate to, what did he really believe? there s a lot of political appeal, obviously. for him, his political appeal and his legal defense are unusually totally intertwined at the moment. but they don t really have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he truly believed he lost

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