latest tonight from the justice department. hello, david. hi, mike. next week marks a new chapter in the ongoing probe looking at the origins of the russia investigation by special counsel john durham. you may say a federal judge handed him a victory last night ordering that fusion gps the opposition research firm hired by the hillary clinton campaign to dig up dirt on then presidential candidate donald trump is required to turn over 22 emails to john durham and his team at the u.s. government. this comes as michael sussmann, he s a former clinton campaign attorney goes to trial on monday. the judge also ruled that durham cannot show those 22 emails to the jury because durham waited too long to access them in what s called discovery. still though, mike. john durham may be able to use them for potential future cases. to me what s really exciting about the sussmann trial is not whether or not sussmann gets convicted because i think the evidence is going to come out pretty strongly. i
did he deserved to be treated better? do you have any response to that? he did not deserve to be dismissed from the whitehouse the way he was. he was doing the right thing. he spoke up. he testified under subpoena. he didn t really have a choice, and he did the right thing. now, i write about this in the book. tell me what you write. well, those same things, and i describe the conversations between the president and mark meadows and others wanting to kind of find things to go after vindman, make sure he wasn t going to be promoted. like dig up dirt on dig up dirt and i said i m not going to dig up dirt, you show me what you have. it became not just about alexander vindman but about our promotion system and assignments and the integrity of that whole personnel process and it came down to a shouting match between me and mark meadows. i ve already put him on the promotion list, it is going forward and we had this loud shouting match that went back and forth. i m sorry alexande
this kind of evidence gathering by the committee is that the subjects really have no ability to delay which, of course, is such a big problem in this investigation. abby, just in terms of, you know, the politics, political impact, what could the fallout be to this, the fact the committee seized records pertaining to one of the president s sons? well first of all, i mean, i think these individuals are among the closest to former-president trump, and so it just highlights that the investigation is every everyone around him, including members of his own family. i was also struck because i think this is a a basic practice for in trump world. a lot of the things that president trump does, does not go through official channels. it goes through people who are on the outside. in fact, the first time president trump was impeached, it was because he was using outside channels to to allegedly conduct his effort to dig up dirt on joe biden.
subjects really have no ability to delay which, of course, is such a big problem in this investigation. abby, just in terms of, you know, the politics, political impact, what could the fallout be to this, the fact the committee seized records pertaining to one of the president s sons? well first of all, i mean, i think these individuals are among the closest to former-president trump, and so it just highlights that the investigation is every everyone around him, including members of his own family. i was also struck because i think this is a a basic practice for in trump world. a lot of the things that president trump does, does not go through official channels. it goes through people who are on the outside. in fact, the first time president trump was impeached, it was because he was using outside channels to to allegedly conduct his effort to dig up dirt on joe biden. and so, it would not surprise me that these subpoenas that seem to be inching closer and closer
donald trump was on the phone with zelensky saying do us a favor, trying to dig up dirt on joe biden. that was two years ago. i think there has to be a way. you couldn t think that every person is nefarious. what we re hearing from a lot