attempts to pressure him and he could be a key witness trump and his team could still appeal the ruling. but they have lost similar previous cases a date for pence s testimony is not settled, though it is likely to be later this month according to an adviser. now the ruling by judge james boseberg ordering pence to testify said that while pence was excused from providing details regarding hisrole as president of the senate on january 6, 2021, he s not excused from testifying about conversations related to alleged illegality on donald trump s part that means that special counsel jack smith could gain firsthand knowledge, a firsthand account of the one-on-one conversations that mike pence and donald trump had that day special counsel jack smith on the verge of access to a central witness in the insurrection is where we start today new york times reporter glenn flush is back with us and joining us msnbc legal analyst paul butler. he s a former federal prosecutor, now a law pro
country, is unbelievable i agree with all of that. from my own experience, there are always shows i think that shaded the truth or lied go back to the early 2010s i think that the network really did have this push and pull. they had real news folks they continue to have a couple left over there that are out there doing reporting. the opinion hosts. there was a push or pull in 2015 and 2016, they used to have me on as an anti-trump republican to argue. it wasn t just me. there were others. once trump won, i think that they just really realized that they lost control of the audience they basically shut that down. it went from a network that had a sickness, had some problems, didn t practice perfect journalism, which is an understatement, between 2000 and 2016, to one that became a