would be brighter tomorrow. bret: cheney s high school sweetheart, lynn vincent. how did you meet? in junior high. i knew who she was, she didn t know who i was. he was new in town. she was the star of the class, brightest student, head baton twirler and so forth. i got up the nerve to ask her out. i said you re kidding. she did. eventually we worked it out. bret: a natural leader, hard worker and strong athlete many young cheney showed promise and received a scholarship to yale. it was a class of cultures. i think he liked the intellectual stimulation that yale provided. in other ways it was so different from what he had seen and experienced as a child in nebraska and wyoming. bret: hayes wrote a biography in 2007. he focused on the social aspects in addition to
policy of engagement, with hostile rejeeps in north korean north koreaia and iran. cheney opposed that. condoleeza rice prevailed. vice president was clear he didn t agree with everything the president decided to do toward the end of the administration. bret: while cheney helped vet you additional an points president bush did not consult him on his ill-fated choice of harriet miers for the supreme court. that was pure george bush. i said, well okay. bret: the vice president s biggest disagreement with the president involved cheney s long time friend and chief of staff, scooter libby. libby got into big legal trouble over the leaked identity of cia agent valerie plame. libby was not the leaker, but got 2 1/2 years in prison for lying and obstructing a federal investigation. the president commuted libby s
his chief of staff. i feel a certain pride in america myself. bret: cheney was only 34-years-old. that the nation is able to find and identify a man like gerald ford. bret: do you think you had the experience to do that job, at that time? i was so busy i didn t have time to worry about it. i had a very positive view of cheney in those years. bret: kissinger said the man who would become known for his strong views on america s place in the world had little to say on such matters in the ford administration i am i don t remember any interaction with cheney on foreign policy. i thought he was a helpful facilitator. bret: the is. gave cheney the code name the secret service gave cheney the code name, backseat. ford made him campaign manager.
locking them unat guantanamo bay. using enhanced interrogation techniques on a few terrorist leaders to make them talk. added up to aggressively pushed by vice president cheney and his staff. our commander in chief has power to win the war. it was not and is not unusual for the traditional view of the extent i has limits. one of the first major decisions was to try foreign terror suspects in special military tribunals. a decision pushed by cheney and shared with others in the administration. the military tribunals were authorized by the president in an order very not seen. and. nobody resigned. but cheney s critics increasingly depicted him as a secretive schemer, using the war as an excuse to shred the
the day. he has kept his word. bret: was there an earlier agreement this would be a different vice presidency? no. dick didn t expect one. the vice president is a key adviser. and what makes him different of course is he actually campaigned. no, no preconceived plan about his role. bret: the choice looked good when cheney performed well in national debates. i m pleased to see dick from the newspapers that you are better off than you were eight years ago too. and i can tell you joe that the government had absolutely nothing to do with it. [ laughing ] i can see my wife and i think she is thinking i wish he would go out into the private sector. i m going to try to help you do that joe. [ laughing ] bret: the election turned out too close to call. bush tapped cheney to run the transition in the event they won. it was during this time cheney suffered his fourth heart attack.