intelligence capabilities has shackled us a little bit. are you getting the sense from people you talk to? not so much. that is much more of sort of when you look i mean, david touched on this just now. you talk about the reaction around the world. there s a lot of chatter right now about, you know, the united states trying to have things both ways. and there s this belief that we re at the same time that you saw former vice president cheney sitting here saying again and again that this wasn t torture, you know, just because, you know, so we re going, for instance, in china, there s a whole this has been a huge case, a huge the reporting in china has been huge all week looking at the united states, talking to us about human rights and lecturing us on this, that and the other and looking at what they re doing within the united states, you know. the idea that we don t yeah. but we re the only country. that would release it. this is what makes america america. it really
indicate that he was lying. the question is, could they have gotten it from other ways? and he says that it was unknowable whether or not that information, that train of evidence. what he also disputes is whether this analysis, based on memos, can lead to the proper k conclusions. what analysts do is look at lots of different pieces of information and that the senate investigators looked at it too linearly. but let me just say, the former director, i think many would say, as the vice president said, should have been interviewed, they were not worried about prosecution. they were willing to come forward. i think there are other issues here, for instance, jose rodriguez. this report would not have happened had jose rodriguez not, in contradiction to what the white house lawyer, the justice department, and the cia was ordering to do, had he not destroyed the videotapes of those interrogations, that is what tipped it over, and there
gotten it from other ways? and he says that it was unknowable whether or not that information, that train of evidence. what he also disputes is whether this analysis, based on memos, can lead to the proper k conclusions. what analysts do is look at lots of different pieces of information and that the senate investigators looked at it too linearly. but let me just say, the former director, i think many would say, as the vice president said, should have been interviewed, they were not worried about prosecution. they were willing to come forward. i think there are other issues here, for instance, jose rodriguez. this report would not have happened had jose rodriguez not, in contradiction to what the white house lawyer, the justice department, and the cia was ordering to do, had he not destroyed the videotapes of those interrogations, that is what tipped it over, and there was a 14-1 vote
let s get reaction from the panel. david david axelrod, andrea mitchell, dan senor. obviously the debate isn t going to end any time soon, but this is a pretty tough report. the facts in it are cia based. the conclusions, i understand, what vice president cheney was against, but the facts are pretty damning, and at least plant some seeds of doubt, does it not? well, look. i think the actual program, the integrity of the program, the report does not actually produce anything that undermines it. most of what is criticized in the report is what happened outside the program. these rogue operators. now, reasonable people can disagree on, you know, what happened in those rogue operations, but the actual integrity of the program, the actual totality of the program, it s indisputable that it pulls al qaeda operatives off the battlefield. if it s indisputable, john brennan said it s unknowable. even swron brennan who i think supports the program could not come to the conclusion that it s
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