something better than it was have been debunked by the committee. definitely and ben, thank you so much, congrats on the reporting, devlin. tim, you will stick around with us. president biden greeted by cheers and applause as he walked into the rose garden just about 90 minutes ago. it s his first appearance in public since he got covid and he used it as an opportunity to update the country on what his administration has done to fight the pandemic. mike memoli is at the white house for us. i heard you say that this is a triumphant moment for him, i got through it, i m okay, but also a teachable moment, right? reporter: that s right, chris, it s a teachable moment in that the president was able to use his own brief stay with covid-19 to illustrate what white house officials have been talking about for several weeks which is that this ba.5 varcht is a reminder we can t let our guard down, we have to follow all the protocols, follow cdc guidance but also the importance of vaccinatio
structure of the insurrection, than any of us know. great reporting is exactly right by devlin and the others on that by line and, you know, i listened to carol very specifically this morning when she said witnesses, plural, have been asked the following questions in the grand jury about donald trump. lots of questions about donald trump. i think it s important for the viewers to know that even though the prosecutors are bound by grand jury secrecy, the witnesses are not. now, we instruct our witnesses that it s probably not smart to talk publicly about what goes on in the grand jury, but they are permitted to and it looks like some of them are. and what i have to say, chris, is all of the data points are beginning to point toward donald trump in fact being under a federal criminal investigation in the grand jury because prosecutors would not go off on some wild fishing expedition in the grand jury asking pointed questions about a former president unless that had been
acceptable institutional answer is no the evidentiary bar doesn t have to be higher. probable cause doesn t change, preponderance of the evidence doesn t change, beyond a reasonable doubt the highest burden known to law that s the standard for a conviction doesn t change. the reality, though, chris, is i think the department of justice wants this case to be bulletproof like no other case in the history of the department of justice. now, no case is bulletproof. there will be risks attendant to trying a former president for crimes against the united states, but the down side is if they decline to prosecute him they are giving permission to the next presidential candidate to do everything donald trump just did to try to unlawfully retain the presidency and then some. so, devlin, if the potential political fallout is not a primary consideration and we heard merrick garland say it s not a consideration, what are the biggest obstacles right now