c mon! he didn t threaten not to pay social security. i think what is interesting is that debate moved beyond. you have the fact that the house cannot pass the tax increases. they coulded under the pelosi house either. it s ridiculous to say the republicans want to starve government. we have a representative government for a reason. people say we want the spending cuts, not just raise debt limit. a development yesterday where senator mitch mcconnell put forward a creative plan, i think will probably be rejected by the house. at least initially. not good enough for conservatives. they re not conservatives. they re right wingers. george bush didn t scare seniors. he said if we don t go into iraq we ll be subject to weapons of mass destruction. which we still haven t found. that is so ridiculous. no, it s not. yes it is. why? i had it with the liberals who brick that up all the time. it s a baloney.