new today, sources telling politico president trump has a desire to, quote, create a flashy, testimony-filled trial, despite his party s opposition, but congressman adam schiff along with a former trump staff member predict that witnesses testimonies will be incriminating, if allowed. take a listen. it may very well be the president doesn t really want witnesses, the president knows that what mick mulvaney will have to say, what john bolton would have to say, what others would have to say would be incriminating of him. whether it s mulvaney, bolton, giuliani, pompeo, if he has to testify under oath, he has to leave. he ll have to leave before that testimony is brought you think he s going to resign? there is no way he can handle the heat of that testimony. wow. joining me now, trial lawyer and msnbc legal contributor katie phang, and former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst glenn kirschner.
was his actual role in trying to execute what appears to be the president s desire to i don t know if this is sondland s characterization of the president s opinion he only cares about the big stuff. the big stuff not being a war that ukraine is waging against russia but in fact, the big stuff is the bidens and, you know. the big stuff now is he s big stuff. he s really going to be an important witness. i really have, cannot believe he s not spending this weekend with his attorneys. he s got the potential of perjury. we don t know if that happened but it certainly a potential. high probability, anderson, he ll go in and plead the fifth and if they don t give him immunity, he won t testify. he might get immunity and that s his get out of jail free card. if you are looking to throw somebody under the bus, gordon
all times a private political operative, apparently was not offering advice of any kind, the usual prerequisite for executive privilege and was listed for apparent wrongdoing. no court has ever said the president is entitled to confidentiality under these circumstances. indeed, the department of justice has said executive privilege should not be invoked to conceal evidence of wrongdoing on the part of executive officers. the white house is advancing a new and dangerous theory, the cronie privilege. it makes absolute immunity look good by comparison. where are the limits? this is a cover-up, plain and simple. if it were to prevail, especially while the judiciary committee is considering entering articles of impeachment, it would end a separation of powers as envisioned by our founders. today s cover-up is part of a pattern of the white house blocking congress. the president announced his desire to, quote, fight all the subpoenas, unquote. the white house s obstruction to
foster, filed a complaint with the office of special counsel. long before the dining set debac debacle, foster says she was demoted when she told her bosses the law limits carson s redecorating budget. my sense is that it was coming from mrs. carson s desire to, you know, have the ability to redecorate the suite. reporter: in a new statement thursday, carson called the decades old furniture worn and unsafe, but he said he was, quote, as surprised as anyone to find out that a $31,000 dining set had been ordered. carson reveals his wife, quote, asked if used furniture was an option, and she wanted to be sure that the color of the chair fabric of any set that was chosen matched the rest of the decor. really excited. reporter: when the story first broke, a hud spokesman told cnn ms. carson knew nothing about a dining table being purchased. cnn, washington.
judgment, no matter who made it. reporter: the agency spending on the decor and the furniture came to light after the hud employee helen foster filed a sworn complaint with the office of special counsel, and long before the dining set debacle, foster says she was demoted when she told the bosses that the law limits carson s redecorating budget. my sense is that it was coming from mrs. carson s desire to, you know, have the ability to are redecorate the suite. reporter: in a new statement thursday, carson called the decades old furniture worn and unsafe, but he said that he was quote surprised as anyone to find out that a $31,000 dining set had been ordered. carson revealed that his wife, quo quote, asked if used furniture was an option, and that she wanted to be sure that the color of the chair fabric of any set that was chosen matched the rest of the decor. i am really excited. reporter: and when the story first broke, a hud spokesman