attack line as they did on trump because that s basically all they ve been doing for the past few years. he isn t known to make some of the off the cuff, insane trump is insanely funny. he just says stuff and captures people s attention, and he can always make people upset, he doesn t worry about what he says, and desantis isn t like that. i don t know if he has the curb appeal, the charisma for some and, i guess, disdain for others. but it is, i think, kat, you hit on the right point, and, tom mi, if you sit there and make your calculated vote on, well, desantis won t have the baggage that trump has, i think he ll go after twice as hard because of that. they re going to go after whoever the republican is, let s be honest. they re going to sabotage and torpedo whoever the nominee is. however, the calculus, there s a lot of us, and we have different factions of this party. but the calculation we re going to have to make is not so much about who s going to lead the country better.
certainly create an opening, i think, for another candidate in the republican primary if desantis goes that way. and even biden, i mean, i think he deserves credit for supporting ukraine, but he often talks at it in terms of the about it in terms of the global order. and there may be an opening for a republican candidate, i don t know if it s mike pence or mike pompeo who talks about this as a pragmatic policy, a matter of u.s. national interests. there are no u.s. boots on the ground, and yet one of america s biggest adversaries is being seriously degraded, and china is getting a lesson about western resolve as it eyes maybe invading taiwan in the next now years. and i would in the next few years. st t not even clear to me that desantis won t be the candidate who will eventually speak that way. he has a record of talking about peace through strength. he was at an interview in 2015, he was saying that putin smells weakness and that, saying back then that maybe we should give ukraine
ancestry, made it in the united states and believes deeply in the united states and is able to articulate that. that sort of thing will be a great contribution, i think, to the presidential debate. and it s the sort of thing that the american people really are yearning for. so i think vivek is going to get a hearing once he gets out there and starts talking about why he should be president. paul: yeah. if he gets on the stage and muster the support to get on the debate stage, i think he could more than hold his own and really add to the debate. kim, let me ask you about something else we re seeing. donald trump seems every day to be attacking ron de. sanities for one reason or another. ron desantis. ron desantis isn t even in the race, and he s not taking the bait and responding. why is trump so focused on desantis already, and is desantis smart to, just to ignore him? well, i mean, trump has focused on desantis because desantis is going to get into
back in 2018 i was very message disciplined. weed, water and weapons. that s the same message i m going to continue to take across our state, that it s not so much about partisan politics, it s about the fact we ve had 25 state years of a one-party system that is built on corruption, that has only taken care of a very small group of people in our state, and so we have to break the system to try something new. and i know that when i take that message and criss-cross our state, get into our rural communities, get into some of those areas, the swing areas that i was able to win back in 2018 and really have those messages very consistent with our people, that it isn t so much about partisan politics, it s about breaking a system that doesn t work for the everyday working class person, that for 25 straight years we ve had constitutional amendments that we ve passed and that gets to tallahassee and they get dismantled. we ve got to try something new. last ten seconds. what s the one strong
with no end of the legal battle in sight. make no mistake about this. had we not done what we did i think a lot of those cruise lines would admit this had we not done what we did by suing, you would not be talking about sailing right now. there s not been a single elected official in this country who has more to liberate the cruise lines from a bureaucracy that s out of touch. in my opinion, this has nothinghelping people. it s him playing to a small but vocal base of his supporters in an effort to win 2024. reporter: desantis won t likely win this lawsuit. a sentiment echoed by an op-ed saying the cruise industry wants to go back to work. the badly conceived vaccine passport law is the problem. it left passengers confused. this travel agent, who specializes in cruises, says