was tape of him saying that. that was an early skirmish in this question. 30 seconds left. your take away from the deputy publisher now in line to take over? that s the other big thing is it was the first time he s really given an interview of this length. i think that he has been kind of understood his role as a change agent inside the organization to really be helping the digital staff find these new revenue. that s been a huge cultural tension in that organization. you were there at some a while back and probably are familiar with it. i think starting with his overseeing the innovation report and now with his appointment as the deputy publisher it s sort of established the priorities within the organization of digital. great to see you. thanks for being here. we re out of time.