deepest sympathies to her and her family. they re in our thoughts and prayers. we know, by the way, as we talk about these things a lot of people have speculated, she s not been out in public a lot. she s been taking care of her mom. also tonight, back to the documents from the ongoing jeffrey epstein court files, released, made public today, and even more references to high-profile individuals, including, once again, former president bill clinton in one deposition transcript, an epstein associate confirming she flew on epstein s plane with clinton. the former president admitted flying on the plane, but never visited the infamous island. while the world got answers this week, there s still a lot we don t know. are calling for more details, including senator marcia blackburn. senator blackburn joins us now
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room otherwise in this deposition transcript because the whole purpose of a deposition transcript is to lock somebody into their testimony so when you get to trial, if they testify inconsistently, you can bash them over the head figuratively, of course, with that testimony and make them look really bad to a jury. so you have these admissions that already look bad and none of these witnesses can vary from it at trial. so while the significance today for the motion for summary judgment may not be as dramatic as we approach trial, that defendant and its insurance carriers are thinking about what they know the testimony will be and it s scary. so i want to ask you both about the same piece of information from again that same deposition from murdoch and get the legal and political perspective on it. during trump s campaign, rupert provided trump s son-in-law and senior adviser, kushner, with
have the defamation suit brought by the writer e. jean carroll tossed out. and in the process, releasing portions of trump s deposition transcript. here s what trump said when asked a very simple, straightforward question about consent. caplan, the lawyer says, have you ever kissed a woman without her consent? trump says, well, i don t i can t think of any complaints. but no, i don t think so. i think it s an inappropriate question. but i don t think so. caplan says, have you ever touched a woman on her breast or her bucks or any other sexual part without her consent? trump s lawyer, objection to form. trump says, well, i will tell you know. what you may have some people like your client that lie. joining us now is the msnbc legal analyst barbara mcquade, former united states attorney and a law professor at the university of michigan law school. barbara, what does this mean? the fact that this transcript was released and what it says in it?