in seeing some of this. the point being, look, we all can see this polarization, this disunity gripping the country right now. if we want to lay all of that at trump s door stem i think it s a big mistake because trump tapped into these things. he weaponized these things but he did not create them. really he s the by-product of this environment. really, donald trump is going to come and go. right, he s not going to be president forever. what do we do with the forces once he s gone? they are still going to be here. they re rearing their ugly heads a little bit on the left and it s not to compare anybody in the democratic party to donald trump. but you re seeing some of the same sort of asymmetrical political warfare, the ideological gamesmanship happening in the democratic party and you wonder where does it go from here and donald trump is not going to be the president forever. he rode in on the wave. it was cresting at the perfect time, he rode it, but it s going to keep going well aft
approval rating with a lower 48% disapproval. but in the general election match-ups, trump loses to joe biden by nine points. bernie sanders bests trump by seven points, 50-43. and senator elizabeth warren i thought he wanted to run against her tops trump by five points, 48% to 43%. while senator kamala harris has a one point edge over the president. in the july 2011 nbc news/ wall street journal poll president obama was leading republican mitt romney by seven points, 48% to 41%, so joe, the president not faring well against candidates he was laughing at at one point. well, he was laughing a at. that he s still attacking. again, let s put up the numbers again and what it shows is donald trump getting beaten badly at this point by joe biden. nine points.
yes, donald trump is can t go above 42, 43%. on an average the democrats beat between him 45, 48 percentage points. democrats are probably going to win the popular vote because of the way that the demographics are set. but the problem is that donald trump could get 42% and still win with the electoral college votes if we don t get back pennsylvania, wisconsin and michigan. and that s the cautionary tale for folks so we have to stay focused. we have to keep our eye on the ball. which is donald trump, which is winning in 2020. keeping him holding him accountable. we have to hold him accountable. and that s the really important thing here. a follow-up to karine s points, a prediction that donald trump would still thread the needle in the electoral college and so i think that s true. switching gears about the i.c.e. raids.
by the way, joe biden s beating trump badly after a poor debate performance. we talk about in the past, joe biden has run ineffective campaigns, had bad performances that ended his presidential run. i can t help but think that the age of trump allows joe biden to make mistakes and be unscathed because whatever biden or any other democrat does it pales in comparison not only to the racism but to the poor performances of donald trump. about the same time, mike barnicle, that joe biden was having a terrible debate performance, you know, a day or two later donald trump went on fox news rambled and bumbled his way around suggesting that littering was created two years ago in big cities. right. so he s set the bar so low i m not so sure that there s
that none of them took him on in the primary season because they re afraid of him. they re not oriented toward political confrontation and trump smelled that weakness and went after it. they don t know how to fight inside the republican party, you re exactly right. we brought up i said to paul ryan in realtime, don t endorse him unless you get something back from him because trump will think you re weak and sure enough, that was the case. but you look at all of the people, lindsey graham, and you brought up i would say mitt romney because he hasn t said anything yet. but ted cruz is a perfect example. here is a guy who donald trump attacked, said his father assassinated jfk and called his wife ugly by tweet. now, for most americans if someone did that to you you d go after that person for the rest of your life politically. i mean, i would not sleep until