mention republican congressman jim jordan of ohio, scott perry of pennsylvania, and senator ron johnson of wisconsin. the times also reports congressman jordan and senator johnson deny any role in trump s efforts to pressure the justice department. congressman perry did not respond to request for comment from the times. earlier today one member of the house oversight committee was blunt about the new revelations. i frankly think it is a criminal conspiracy. i think that the contemporaneous notes released today by deputy attorney general at the time donoghue clearly reveal out of donald trump s own mouth an illegal attempt to subvert the election results of a free and fair elects. also tonight, donald trump was dealt a major legal blow in the justice department issued an opinion saying congress should get to see the former president s tax returns. that reverses a decision made in 2019 by trump administration lawyers. we ve also been watching the
but more importantly, the issue is that the science changes. that makes politics a little bit more difficult. yeah, you could tell his frustration though yesterday. he wasn t even trying to hide it when he gave that press conference. barbara, i want to turn to these latest revelations about trump s efforts to stay in power. a lot of people might say, well, we knew this, but as these kinds of cases go, how blatant, how audacious are trump s statements and what strikes you as maybe different about what we re hearing today? i think these notes that have been disclosed that the justice department wrote of the conversations with donald trump are really explosive. you have donald trump saying to the justice department, just say that there is corruption in the election and leave the rest to me. you know, that sounds to my ear an awful lot like what he asked the president of ukraine when he asked him about doing us a favor. you may remember at the end it
you can come up with in your wild imagination. more reaction tonight to those stunning new details on just how the twice-impeached former president tried to overturn an election, including telling the doj to, quote, just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me. bill kristol put it bluntly. this was the closest we have ever come to a genuine presidential usurpation. that wasn t the only major development coming from the attorney general s justice department today. the doj reversed an earlier decision and now says the irs must release six years of trump s house returns to house investigators. just a few days ago the justice department said it won t move to block former trump officials from testifying to the january 6th select committee, so plenty to talk about tonight with victoria defrancesco soto, professor and assistant dean at the lbj school of public affairs at the university of texas in austin. and the aforementioned bill kristol, author, writer, thinker
and i think that they mean that. but more importantly, the issue is, the science changes. that makes politics a little more difficult. you can tell his frustration yesterday, he wasn t even trying to hide it when he gave that press conference. barbara, i want to turn to these latest revelations of trump s efforts to stay in power. a lot of people will say, we knew this. but in these kinds of cases, how audacious are trump s statements, and what strikes me as may be different from what we are hearing today? i think these notes that have been disclosed that the justice department wrote of the conversations with donald trump are really explosive. you have donald trump saying to the justice department, just say that there is corruption in the election, and leave the rest to me. you know, that sounds to my ear, an awful lot like what he asked the president of ukraine, when he asked him about doing as a favor. you may remember at the end it
generous x haven t paid the price. let s talk a little bit about something that democrats say, they want to see donald trump s taxes. democrats say that that s a victory for congressional oversight and national security, but there s a different take from congressman o connor lee, let s take a look at this. i don t see this as a great victory, i see this as a signature failure of the system. it took two years to get the department of justice to finally agree that, yeah, you re entitled to see those tax tax returns. people are in title to know while he was in office, and it might have been affected by the two impeachments. so quickly, victoria, is this a better late than never scenario, how important do you think that it is for congress to see these returns? now i think it s better late than never. and going back to what i said earlier, i think it is structurally, congress needs to be able to flex that muscle. now that being said, we know