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Transcripts for MSNBC The Rachel Maddow Show 20220105 05:12:00

really stark. had enough republican senators, that they, voted to obtain that formal conviction, had been 67 senators voting to convict and not 57, former president donald trump would not just be the only president twice impeached in u.s. history, which he is, he would ve also become the first ever president barred by law from ever running from any public office again. had they actually convicted him, had they got 67 votes, he would ve been barred from running for public office again. but he was not convicted. 57 votes. not 67. because he was not convicted he is not barred from running for office again. he is likely to run for president again. even as the justice department of the january six investigation where the question right now of whether he could ever be held criminally liable. this is for his role in the

Transcripts for MSNBC The Rachel Maddow Show 20220105 05:09:00

election results. we knew, previously from other testimonies that cipollone had threatened to resign at that meeting. over that prospect of the justice department being used in that way. these new text from mr. hannity would seem to suggest that the white house counsel also threatened to resign even earlier than that. four days earlier than that. as early as last new years eve. what was that threat to resign about? also, from the text from mr. hannity that was released by the investigation tonight, it would appear that the white house counsel also was renewing those threats to resign on days later. on january 5th, the night before the attack on the capitol. acrding to the taxthat threat to resign would appear to be a response to the pressure that was being put on vice president, mike pence, by trump and his coconspirators. pressure to try to get mike pence effectively spoil the counting of the electoral votes on congress on january six.

Transcripts for MSNBC The Rachel Maddow Show 20220105 05:36:00

instances in which the council was threatening to resign one, on january december 31st. and the night before the january 6th attack. am i correct glee reading into those that he is describing a new standoff within the administration? new concerns about the legality that we didn t previously know about? we knew that trump s own appointed leadership with the apartment of justice, for example, was threatening to resign if he indeed would go forward with this plan to install richard clark as a new attorney general so that he could proclaim the big lie as justification for getting mike pence to reject electoral college votes and kick the whole thing into a contingent election. and this is the exact same process that there were people who saw the constitutional danger of what donald trump was doing and they tried to blow

Transcripts for MSNBC The Rachel Maddow Show 20220105 05:35:00

is not going to be in trouble for any political viewpoint that he has taken. that of course would trouble me a lot. this is about what he knew about plans to attack the peaceful transfer of power on january the six. so he has to come and testify just like everybody else does. it does seem, from the messages attributed to mr. hannity that was released from the investigation tonight, it is advancing the story for us a little bit. it had previously been described to the senate, actually, by witnesses testifying to the senate that the white house counsel had threatened to resign. on january 3rd, in reaction to trump working out some planned by which he would have the justice department essentially act to falsify the election results. and it again, had previously been described, publicly in that testimony, that the white house counsel was going to resign over that. mr. hannity s text messages would suggest that there was at least a couple of other

Transcripts for MSNBC The Rachel Maddow Show 20220105 05:08:00

that day. for what it is worth, that sentiment, that trump was responsible and could ve stopped january six if you wanted to, that is not something that this gentleman has articulated publicly about january six. although the private communication suggests that it may be the case. so we will see. his lawyer says that he is reviewing the request from the committee and there s been no response yet. we shall see. in terms of connecting the dots here. there had been previous reporting, including from testimony to the senate, that trump s white house chief of staff, pat cipollone, had said at the white house meeting on january 3rd that he would resign as white house counsel. he was reported to have said that at a january 3rd meeting in the oval office where trump was discussing the possibility of installing a new attorney so that he can use the justice department to basically force the falsification of the

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