this. with the knowledge and the declassification i cannot imagine a criminal case being based on this evidence. jon: there s argument over that apparently. the former president has said he would essentially declare it documents classified or say that he wanted to take them to his mar-a-lago estate. people like john bolton have affirmed he did that kind of thing. and as president he has the right to declassified documents does he not? under the law under our system? he does. under the law he does not have to follow the most specific steps of the declassification. remember president bush and president obama had executive orders that said they did not have to follow the regulations requires the declassified because the president ultimately is the head of the executive branch. in the information created for his benefit. i think as you look at this
what are your thoughts, not on the parlor game of will he or won t he but of what he d say. well, i obviously don t know about that, nicole. there s been a fair amount of reporting now in various books about the, you know, barr has obviously gone to certain authors and has given his account, and it s not contradicted. i m not challenging it, but you know, at the moment, at that time in december when trump kept pressing the justice department and trump s white house kept pressing the justice department through various levers, including directly to barr, and there were a couple of now well reported confrontations between barr and trump, one that really broke the camel s back, right, were, i believe, in the oval where barr basically told trump that there was no evidence of vote tampering, no reason to think they had looked he had done things that trump wanted him to do to investigate claims that had no basis in reality, and was just, you know, forced to come back. i ll point to anothe
democratic server happened, as well. we do that all of the time with foreign policy. okay. it is no surprise that mulvaney is trying to say he didn t say what he said. mulvaney s words left the justice department and trump s own legal team stunned. that is their words and you will hear more about that in a moment. everyone heard what they heard. it was stunning because trump has point-blank denied a quid pro quo. no quid pro quo! no quid pro quo. no quid pro quo. no quid pro quo. no quid pro quo. so mulvaney s admission today was so baffling. as you clearly heard, when mulvaney took reporter questions he said, okay, this is what happened. sure. we wanted this investigation in exchange for the aid, but he said it was about the election and not about joe biden and his son. the homeland security adviser said ukraine in the 2016 election is a debunked