Concerning the allegations, i stressed that no one in the new team governing ukraine had anything to do with anything that may have happened in 2016. They were making Television Shows at the time. I also said that it is not credible to me that former Vice President biden would have been influenced in any way by financial or personal motives in carrying out his duties as Vice President. A different issue is whether some individual ukrainians may have attempted to influence the 2016 election or thought they would buy influence. That is at least plausible given ukraines reputation for corruption. But the accusation that Vice President biden acted inappropriately did not seem at all credible to me. After that meeting, i connected mayor giuliani and mr. Yermak by text and later by phone. They met in person on august 2nd, 2019. In conversations with me following that meeting, which i
did not attend, mr. Giuliani said that he had stressed the importance of ukraine conducting investigations in
ukraine chairman alex den illuck and the meeting was over when sondland made a comment about investigations. i think all of us thought it was inappropriate. the conversation did not continue and the meeting concluded. later on in the room i may have been engaged in a side conversation or already left the complex because i do not recall further discussion regarding investigations of burisma. third, i did not understand that others believed that any investigation of the ukrainian company burisma which had a history of accusations of corruption was tant amount to investigating biden. it has long been u.s. policy under multiple administrations to urge ukraine to fight internal corruption. i was quite comfortable with ukraine making its own statement about its own policy of investigating and fighting corruption at home. at the one in-person meeting i