attorney general? they say the attorney general didn t lie. there is no contradiction between his congressional testimony and the facts of the case. the white house has said holder was completely truthful, but of course, this is no doubt another unwelcome distraction for president obama, while republicans want to find out if holder committed perjury, democrats appear confident that he actually told the truth. listen. no, i don t think there is perjury. there has been no prosecution or attempted prosecution of any journalist, so there can t be perjury. the warrant is a tool to get information and i don t think the two are contradictory. congressman chris van hollen said today the investigation was to gather information, not to press charges. harris. harris: steve, thank you very much. in oklahoma, the number of people killed after a tornado swept through the oklahoma city area is now higher. at least 13 died. we also know the twister that caused all this destruction in the town
news? now you ve got the situation about okay, well, if he did lie, what did he lie about and what s the penalty for that? so which scandal would it take? we are an open transparent government and no matter what side of the dialogue, this is a bipartisan concern that our attorney general, our president are beyond reproach. i know from personal experience and this wouldn t be the first time that the white house was being used for political gain and we need an airing of this. my father represented john lennon in the 70s when the nixon administration was trying to use immigration to have him deported for political gain. democrat or republican, right or left, we need to make sure whether it s the irs, whether it s the attorney general s office, and even the president, that they act beyond reproach and that they are not only representative of a nation of laws, but they are tender in the way they execute justice. harris: all right. right down the middle you were with that answer. so my
place at the irs and travel and training expenses have dropped more than 80% since 2010. werfel is conducting a review into the root of the targeting scandal which the white house says will be key. that review will take a look at a wide range of things, including making sure that we hold accountable those who are responsible for the wrongdoing. 88 employees in all are being investigated for their potential roles in the irs targeting scandal. harris? harris: peter, thank you. meanwhile, the ranking member of the house oversight committee, democrat cumming, now reacting to chairman darrell issa s claims about where the targeting of conservatives actually originated. he issued a statement that reads in part action quote, so far no witnesses have appeared before the committee, have identified any irs official in washington, d.c., who directed employees in cincinnati to use tea party or similar terms to screen applicants for extra scrutiny. the wreckless statements are inconsistent wi
what are they trying to find out? if holder was truthful when he testified before congress two weeks ago. at that time the attorney general testified that he played no part in any potential criminal probe of reporters, but the justice department says he did sign off on the investigation of fox reporter james rosen. house judiciary chairman bob goodlatte, along with another congressman, sent a letter to holder demanding a full and accurate account of his involvement. so far, no reply. i think we ought to subpoena the attorney general to come back and answer those questions specifically. this is congress fulfilling its constitutional obligation to provide oversight over the executive branch of government. oversight is tough and when you receive an oversight letter, there are consequences for not complying. congressman peter king of new york agreeing, a subpoena should be issued. harris? harris: are they and how are they democrats, defending the